Atheism is compatible with objective morality

Dispatching the false claim that atheism is incompatible with objective morality. To any theists still wheeling this one out, shame on you!

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Education

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• objective
• morality
• atheism
• theism
• god
• utilitarianism

[blamtasticful]

Utilitarianism is generally defined by the principle "the greatest good for the greatest number." Maximize pleasure and minimize pain or maximize happiness and minimize unhappiness depending if you follow say Bentham or Mill. But what makes that objectively true and not a subjective opinion? Like what makes that opinion better than Immanuel Kant who believed in following principles that are universalizable for all. No, the premise is still subjective.

[bitbutter]

@blamtasticful "But what makes that objectively true and not a subjective opinion?"

I have no idea. I'm a moral nihilist.

[whyiaskyou79]

Anyway, if you don't want to continue this in public that's fine.

[whyiaskyou79]

@MrKingatheist

If you don't think it should be called objective, I don't see how the title of your video makes any sense. I do not understand why you think it 'can't be called subjective'. If values vary between different people (which they do, even if to a small extent), then different moral frameworks are going to develop.

Ex: some people think same-sex relations are perfectly fine, while others think they are a 'sin'.

Don't worry about your assumption. We all make them now and then.

[MrKingatheist]

@whyiaskyou79 Right well I don't think it should be called objective, BUT it can't be called subjective. I only assumed you lacked knowledge as from my experience, its rare to find individuals who have the knowledge. Also the way you presented your views, seemed arrogant, and we can't learn or check ourselves for mistakes. Sorry for my assumption i was wrong. Anyway i believe it is wise that we continue this convo in private, as we are limited to how much we can write in these video comments

[whyiaskyou79]

@MrKingatheist

How do you assume I don't know enough? A species that exists today does so because of the survival of previous generations. This has been achieved by survival mechanisms of the species (i.e. the pain of hunger motivates one to eat). For homo sapiens, 'morals' are the product of a desire to live cooperatively as a social species, with the understanding that being part of a group will yield a better chance to survive. That does NOT make it objective, however.

[MrKingatheist]

@whyiaskyou79 You still don't know enough, i study biochemistry now you get community's of cell (example biofilms) which have evolved better ways of survival. Everything in life comes back to survival, and as cells do not have brains, the chemical process of survival is not subjective. Morality does come from the mind, but the mind is linked to survival. Its complex but no sorry, saying these things are subjective when they exist outside MY and YOUR mind is insane. Morality is neither sub or obj

[whyiaskyou79]

@MrKingatheist

I actually have my bachelors degree in psychology. I am entirely aware of what mental constructs are and how they arise from the brain. I don't need you to tell me.

Life doesn't 'do' survival. Survival is simply the reality in an organism that is alive and in a species that procreates.

There would be no morality without brains. That IS what makes it subjective. And if you don't understand that, then you simply do not know the meaning of the word 'subjective'.

[MrKingatheist]

@awesomewelles90 "True objective morality can only exist with God." Shut up theist, god murders in the fairy tale, orders men to rape, any morality that comes from god is subjective. FAIL FAIL FAIL. Soon atheism will replace religion, we will use science to understand human morality and we will destory the corrupt power and authority of organised religion!!

[MrKingatheist]

@whyiaskyou79 Mental constructs come from DNA and the environment. Survival is objective, its something life does. Morality comes from that. Your comment is a fail, its been told a thousand times, most atheist reject it. Your comment is completely arrogant, I doubt fully understand psychologyor ecology in biology.