What grounds what?

A response to phyrro...

Kit Fine - A question of realism
http://www.philosophersimprint.org/images/3521354.0001.002.pdf

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• ontology
• metaphysics
• realism

[ballyboneman]

Why is the distinction important? The 'real' world exists but is utterly unknowable without perception. Persistence of perception should give us confidence that what we percieve is what is 'real' no?

Sorry if my layman babbling seems akin to the village idiot stumbling into a mensa convention.

[LordImmolation]

Bang on sir.

Perception is our link to the external world.

As far as I can tell; I explain this external world as fundamental, and pyrrho explains perceptions as fundamental.

And I also agree that inference to the best explanation points to an external world.

[snowtrot]

i just typed in another comment but for some reason it didn't post ... anyways, you said that you have an intuition that truth supervenes on being. but i think you might have meant or could have been more precise had you said that truth is grounded in being. supervenience is a mere modal correlation, when ground is a dependency relation of which supervenience only suggests. so it seems, given your bend, 'ground' would cut deeper and be more appropriate than 'supervenience'. i could be wrong.

[snowtrot]

great video. just read schaffer's "on what grounds what" and happend then to bump into your video. cool post.

[CammieSpectrum]

I think we presume the external world with our behavior as an attempt to move through it, just as we presume Result Directedness in Our Behavior, Reagardless of what we say we beleive

[MJRockX]

Immolation, let's not avoid the issue that yes there are properities; mathmatics, physics and our awarenes of them is there abstraction from senury perception. What is beyond perception may exist, but it can not be abstracted from itself, but only from perception, and yes certain facts may indicate a transient entity, but it itsn't really usefut to talk about it.

Pragmatic discussion is much more efficient, and deals with what really is directally, as it distinguishes the useful from the ni

[MJRockX]

REALIST? You're sounding more like a rationalist putting the whole piror to it's parts, and treating the illusion of what is beyond perception as the abstraction.

[TJae1]

Hey pyrrho, believe we've meet before ~

 Do U enjoy debating?

[2bsirius]

Sorry...I think that comment sounded testier than I intended it...I was actually a bit put out about something else....

About Gottlob Frege...Well, to be honest, I think he was vastly overrated...But lots of philosophers disagree with me. Michael Dummet thinks he was the sentential mathematical intellect of the last century...Frege was somebody Wittgenstein quickly outgrew...Again, all this stuff is pretty much a big yawn for most people...Frege was also an anti-Semite...Another long story...