Is Universe Fine Tuned for Life? [cdk007 mirror]

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In short, NO. Do we need to invoke an intelligent designer to explain why the natural forces are the way they are? NO. Science is still researching how the laws of physics are determined, but everything that we know today tells us its not the universe that is fine-tuned for life, but life, through evolution, that has fine-tuned itself for the universe.

Why do I spend time debunking these absurd creationist arguments? My goal is to produce a series of videos that attacks the problem of ignorance from two angles: 1) Tell people what science actually says, how science works, what we know and are still figuring out; 2) Tell people why each of the creationist arguments are wrong, thereby not ignoring their claims and seeming to hide from them. Also, its so easy, its fun.

Links to video and paper downloads here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCKqj-2JXZg

And remember to always, Think about it.

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[MIT2004]

U idiot u don't know how to make arguments. In fact you just prove earth is finely tuned for us. What a retard. Owned by your own data. Pathetic

[tdp1909]

@LorenzoFas And what is the virtue of faith? Faith makes sense if you're hoping a cunning plan comes to fruition, but it is not a good dogma to base your life around.

As for putting God in a conveinient box outside of probability, this strikes me as the same as naming him something other than God - it explains precisely nothing and dodges the argument.

Anyhow, here's hoping you find your way out of religion/ faith...

[LorenzoFas]

@tdp1909 (If universe is improbable, then God is more so.) What makes us think that God falls within the study of probability. Maybe God transcends space, time matter and energy. We already know science can't explaine everything, that would be scientism. It would be a strange God if we could see him through a telescope or a microscope. Belief in God is faith not fact. Lets leave facts to the great world of science. Kind regards.

[LorenzoFas]

@tdp1909 (For one evolution has nowt 2 do with chance, it's an accumulation of positive variations,) I agree with you, What I meant to say is the cause of the universe. Was it chance? Once you have the universe, a habitable planet and life, (and lots more) then you can have evolution of life. But how did it all happen? how did the universe come to be? Was there a cause that can be explained scientifically? If so, how do you explain that cause? and the cause that caused the cause.

[LorenzoFas]

@tdp1909 Why do I have to name my intelligent cause? If you and I were in the middle of an archaeological dig and we found a slab of stone with thousands of engravings in it which included animals and human engravings. I think we could conclude that these engravings were made by an intelligence. We don't have to know the identity of the intelligence to make this conclusion.

[tdp1909]

@LorenzoFas "I can be profoundly atheistic and still believe the universe had an intelligent cause."

Err- how? The only way u can achieve this is by naming ur intelligent cause somthing other than 'God', which is a cop-out.

As for chance vs God, this is a little too simplistic.

For one evolution has nowt 2 do with chance- it's an accumulation of positive variations, not simply luck.

For Two, u hav 2 then explain God or at least prove he's there. If universe is improbable, then God is more so.

[UpNfamish2]

@LorenzoFas Read my post carefully.It is about LANGUAGE."Belief of a higher power" are non-sense,illogical use of ANY language.Language is our mental tool to seek scientific and philosophical truth.I want ALL these non-sense religions be extinct from human race.

[LorenzoFas]

@UpNfamish2

Religion and God are two different entities. Those who made religion, did it with no scientific knowledge. They knew as much science as my gold fish. So God is not religion and RELIGIONS ARE NOT GOD.

So stop criticizing the belief of a higher power (What ever it may be) by exposing the ridiculous weaknesses of religions around the world.

[LorenzoFas]

@tdp1909

only 0.46% of our own planet is capable of sustaining human life, But it is obviously enough for Human Intelligent life to have evolved. If our options are either chance and luck or an Intelligent cause for the universe, I will opt for an intelligent cause. To credit the existence of the universe and everything in it to chance and luck is obserd. I can be profoundly atheistic and still believe the universe had an intelligent cause.

[LorenzoFas]

@porqtevasjuan

Only 0.46% of our own planet is capable of sustaining human life, But it is obviously enough for Human Intelligent Life to have evolved. If our options are either chance and luck or an intelligent cause for the universe, I will opt for an intelligent cause. To credit the existence of the universe and everything in it to chance and luck is absurd. I can be profoundly atheistic and still believe the universe had an intelligent cause.