How can we have faith that there is consciousness after death? (pt. 2)

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[seigneurvoland666]

"consciousness has your body". Ok so you are either suggesting that consciousness/intelligence/tho­ught/ideas are primary over the material world, or it arises equally with the emergence of "our material world". Which do u think it is? the former would imply some type of affiliation with spirit. the latter would imply that matter and mind are one in the smae (i like this approach and am inclined towards it) I have failed to see any evidence of intelligence existing without a material body.

[simex909]

@seigneurvoland666 Intelligence is something that happens in a brain. It is definitely contingent on forms in the material world. But what I'm saying is that awareness is the other half of manifested intelligence. The brain is like an electrical circuit, and awareness is like the electricity. When they are combined you get consciousness. I believe that there is ultimately one entity/object/substance and that separation is ontology only-- a mode of thinking.

[TotemMecha]

a part*

[TotemMecha]

Do you think there is significance to in-womb consciousness? Do you think there is significance in miscarriages or abortions in relation to consciousness? If a human child is never born, was it also never apart of consciousness? Can you be apart of consciousness without being aware of it? (That was probably a stupid question). I hope you'll respond to this.

[TotemMecha]

I guess this is slightly off topic but at the same time its not. Do you think personal consciousness, when an organism enters enters the universal consciousness, begins at conception or at birth? Or at the moment the organism becomes sentient if it becomes sentient at all? (ie a plant--which to our knowledge is not sentient, although they do reach for the sun (hmmm), or when a baby realizes "I am" if that's not a concept granted to us at birth--personally I can't remember being a baby).

[seigneurvoland666]

thanks for the respons im enjoying the video

[seigneurvoland666]

@seigneurvoland666 the argument im refering to is that ancient one of the Unmoved mover, a well known argument im sure you're familiar with.

[seigneurvoland666]

To persuade me to believe (without much evidence) that consciousness is inherent in the universe, you use the same logic as those who try to prove a creator (a God some may refer to). I reject this notion f god as being a creator. I believe in reinarnation in a very materialistic, literal sense. our bodies are eternal, but is my mind?

[seigneurvoland666]

@seigneurvoland666 Also, I asked this question when i paused the video at :58. I havn't finished watching your 17 min long video, so apologies if you already answer m questions that followed.