What does Traditional Mean?

Video 3: Classical Wing Tzun

Classical or "traditional" Wing Tzun is only a small part of the WT and EBMAS systems. It is the root tradition or keystone for other programs. Traditional Asian MA have a cultural aspect and the classic Form/Drill/Spar method of learning.

Forms are used to store techniques and to practice the geometry and muscle memory patterns, partner sets, called Sections in WT, link the form movements into patterns, and Applications are the training to learn to do these movements under alive conditions. This can be labeled as Form/Drill/Spar for any martial art, but in WT it is Form/Section/Application.

Every movement in a WT form has at least one and often several applications in fighting. We don't repeat movements in the forms unless it is referring to different applications. This is a way to help us store techniques over time. When a form segment is taught, the application is also taught right away. Chi Sau is a specific muscle memory training method in WT that programs the muscles to respond under pressure. So each Application has a place in a Section.

The Chi Sau sections in WT are the simplest non-repeated pattern that contains all the applications. It is also a memory tool. Once you have learned the section, you then must go through it in each and every combination until you are feeling it and not just doing it from memory.

Applications are often done with a partner attacking you and you trying to apply a specific technique. You know whats coming, so it is like a section, but under more stress and realism. I did not suit up for this video, but normally applications are done in full contact gear, with the attacker really trying to hit you hard. We are training for real self defense, so we are holding our ground and someone attacks us. It is not sport MMA training, where people bounce in and out of each others range(you guys call this sparring yes?). If I can bounce around outside range then I can run away too, we are training for when in range.

When you are first learning a section, it is really more of a partner form. It is dead and you are just getting the order of it and the angles, geometry, and timing. Once that is developed you then do it as a muscle memory training effort, working with your partner to teach your muscles how to respond automatically.

So, in conclusion, and the object of this video, Form, Section, and Application are both a method of training and a concept. Chi Sau can be done as a partner form or as a method for trying to apply techiniques, it doesn't have to just be sensitivity training. This causes much confusion when WATCHING videos and in training.

I made this video for _ing __un people. Chi Sau is when you and a partner cooperate and feed each other pressure. It is not when you try to hit each other. Chi Sau is programing muscle memory on purpose. Once you really try to hit each other it becomes Applications. This can be done in a "Chi Sau" format, but it is a fine line between being a contest and being good training. WT has Lat Sau where you also go through the sections with chain punches and kicks. To me this is still a type of Chi Sau.

Sparring is not covered in this video. Sparring is when you do not cooperate, but resist, cut lips, get bruises and such. Sparring is the ultimate training of application.

I dedicate this video to the haters that won't even read this far, you can all STFU you bandwidth wasting little men.

As usual, I will delete your comments if I find no intelligence behind them.

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• Wing
• Tzun
• Chun
• EBMAS
• WT
• Boztepe
• Ting

[Nikoo033]

No inner rotation in the beginning of the form as you show it at 1:23 . Check Ip Man's videos. Crossed arms are very dangerous as they are very easy to block to jam you. Like at 2:07, he could easily jam you and unbalance you after. This first move of the form is both arms going up, but an application of this can be using one arm going up with that angle to get rid of wrist grappling for example. Your inner rotation is even against wing chun principles as it takes time and is a complex movement.

[DrTzeus]

@Nikoo033 Nice comment and I appreciate it. Thanks.

Leung Ting claims he added Kwan sau himself to the first movement, as it is as you say in other styles. However, I disagree with notion that inner rotation is against WC principles. It is in many places in the forms, even in chain punching.

You even know in application this is done as a single move and I show it as split rotation at 2:26

They are linked only to act as a guide for learning kwan sau along centerline, just as for Tan and gaun.

[domite1]

do you have any application videos?

[DrTzeus]

I have some planned and some film but nothing edited yet.

[Nikoo033]

By inner rotation, I meant specifically that move done at the beginning. Not of course the all other rotations present in the rest of the form. But still, I don't like this addition as in the form. Thanks for the details anyway.

[DrTzeus]

This is only the arms and stepping portion of this exercise. It progresses to having kick counters as well. However, kicking requires you to stand in one place on a single leg, and thus you have lost mobility. So we generally do not kick first, but we do kick a kicker, or jam into them to rob their base.

Keep in mind this is a drill and not free sparring.

[CRIPPLE35]

I see much regarding tradition and telling others their oppinion..last I checked we are not Han we do however do our best to honor their sacrifices and ways of combat.We are however born in modern day America and seeing how Di-Si-Gung Ting is still Head instructore at the V.T gym in Hong Kong take it up with him. He may slap you around a bit....lol....we just do the best we can with what we have guys like it or not.Good job Si-Hing Jeff

[DrTzeus]

The tone of your comments imply that even Si-Gung Moy Yat did not invent any training programs but only repeated what he was taught. or that Uncle Yip taught only one way to all his students. I can not believe this. Things grow.

two snails, a mountain, 10,000 years....all things are possible.

[DrTzeus]

The Anti-Grappling Program is indeed a modern invention using the movements and principles of WT. It is clearly taught as such and thus is not part of the classical program. While _ing _un has grappling, sweeps, counters to throws and can even be used if put on the ground, the training programs we use are new.

Latosa Escrima is not required but provides actual weapons systems from a culture that uses them.

[DrTzeus]

WT is based on a core philosophy and is always checked against that. We do not even trust that our Sifu is getting it perfect, we are taught to check everything ourselves.

Uncle Yip did this with what he was taught in China and what he learned from Leung Bik or that he developed himself as his understanding grew.

Only if you blindly trust tradition will it get weak with every generation.