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Still don't fully understand your point. Noone is denying the historic links between the Jews and the middle east. But by the same merit you must acknowledge the equally historic links of the arabs to the area. It wasn't the arabs who denied the Jews their right to settle in their historic homeland, it was the Zionist terrorists who expelled the arabs from their homes rather than coexist in religiously-plural harmony.
More Qs: Was Old Israel destroyed in Biblical times (Book: Isaiah) ? How do Jews know of the existence of Old Israel, other than through Bible/Torah ? If they choose to use Bible/Torah description of Old Israels destruction, why they choose to ignore description of destruction by Jews on others tribes in building of Old Israel ? Is there selective indoctrination or propaganda here ? How is Bible/Torah being taught on building of Old Israel ? Is it OK to destroy other tribes becoz God says OK ?
Q2. Who are the original occupants of current Israel ? How was it taught in Israel and Palestin history books, Torah, Quran ? I did a search in Bible in books of Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua. These Bible chapters have lots of records of wars, conquests, looting by Jews on other tribes to have the old Israel formed. Does Torah have similar mentions ?
I saw in Bible: Book - Numbers 13: 1-33 the original occupants in current Israel: Amalekites, Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, Canaanites..etc..
Hi all, Surprised to see in here a civilised discussion between Jews & Palestinians. Im neither Jew, Palestinian, Christian nor Muslim. Hope you all can find a solution.
1. Are Jews & Arabians descendants of half brothers ? I saw in Bible: Abraham & his wife Sarah, gave birth to Isaac, which later descendants became Israelites, teachings: Judaism, Christian. Abraham & his another wife Hagar, gave birth to Ishmael, ancestor of Arabians, Muhammad, teachings: Islam.
You'd be shocked how many people in the world that don't know that a country and/or nation-state called "Palestine" has never existed in the history of mankind, that the term "Palestine" originate from the ancient Philistines that the renaming of the Holy Land has the Romans to thank, etc.
Well, I am well informed. The "Palestinian" people were only invented as propaganda tool in the '60s. They "exist" for no other reason then to make the Jews seem like oppressors to Westerners. It is the Arab nationalist w/ history of Nazi sympathy & collaborationism who are Nazi like haters. Thought there certainly were people in the territory the British later named "Palestine." There were mostly Jews & Christians. I call them Fallactinians b/c they are so fallacious.
I am saying this arrogant attitude of presupmptive entitlement & aggrievement is false & bigoted. I am pointing out their are, were, & always have other people in the Middle East. The Arabs have an obligation to recognise & respect the rights of these others & they do not. & then they have the gall to act as though they are the ones wounded by the chauvenistic exclusion of others. Ask the Copts of Egypt, or the Christian of Lebanon, or of Bethlehem about it.
Complaining about being persecuted whilst they're persecuting others? Chauvenistic ideas of superiority used to justify illegal wars/terrorism? Sure you're not talking about the Israeli's?
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Was Old Israel destroyed in Biblical times (Book: Isaiah) ?
How do Jews know of the existence of Old Israel, other than through Bible/Torah ?
If they choose to use Bible/Torah description of Old Israels destruction, why they choose to ignore description of destruction by Jews on others tribes in building of Old Israel ?
Is there selective indoctrination or propaganda here ?
How is Bible/Torah being taught on building of Old Israel ? Is it OK to destroy other tribes becoz God says OK ?
I did a search in Bible in books of Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua. These Bible chapters have lots of records of wars, conquests, looting by Jews on other tribes to have the old Israel formed. Does Torah have similar mentions ?
I saw in Bible: Book - Numbers 13: 1-33 the original occupants in current Israel: Amalekites, Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, Canaanites..etc..
Surprised to see in here a civilised discussion between Jews & Palestinians.
Im neither Jew, Palestinian, Christian nor Muslim. Hope you all can find a solution.
1. Are Jews & Arabians descendants of half brothers ?
I saw in Bible:
Abraham & his wife Sarah, gave birth to Isaac, which later descendants became Israelites, teachings: Judaism, Christian. Abraham & his another wife Hagar, gave birth to Ishmael, ancestor of Arabians, Muhammad, teachings: Islam.