A History of C. G. Finney and Decisional Regneration (2of2)

CrossTV provides a short history of Charles Grandison Finney courtesy of John MacArthur.


http://www.crosstv.com
(This is from the series "How God Converts the Human Soul")

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[nfsdrt]

commercial -_- why?

[yeshua4U]

All of the ads are a real tragedy. Once again consumerism has found a "garden of good prospects!"

[VictorLepanto]

@bigboytenor: No ones ever fallen off a bridge w/o stepping onto the bridge first. Explaining away a verse you don't like to more easily interpret the ones you like is not exegesis, it is eisegesis. & I never used the word "liar," I am saying you are deceiving yourself. You might have talked yourself into believing something, but it is always easier to kid yourself rather then others.

[bigboytenor]

@VictorLepanto Sorry, I guess I missed the part where I said I never heard of Calvinism. I said I spent half of my life in a church that followed Finney's teaching. It is so impressive (insert sarcasm here) that you know that Calvin was a French lawyer. Wow, you're smart. Read my comment and stop calling me a liar. I didn't wrestle with those passages regarding falling away. I understood what 1 John is talking about regarding those who were never part of the church, but put on the costume.

[VictorLepanto]

@bigboytenor: Oh yeah, sure, you never met a Calvinist, never heard of Calvinism & miracle of true providence, you independently came to the same conclusions as the French lawyer. You are not being honest w/ yourself. You need to try a little bit of critical self analysis. I know this is NOT how you came to your ideas. It is impossible. Tell me how did you wrestle w/ those Bible passages which of talk of falling away or apostasy? I'd like to hear what trick of "logic" you used to defeat them.

[bigboytenor]

@VictorLepanto I spent half of my life in a denomination that relied heavily on the ideas and teaching of Finney. It was only through studying God's Word, apart from anyone's influence other than that of the Holy Spirit that I came to realize those teachings were in error. I didn't ask Calvin or his followers, I went to the Word and found the truth. I struggled with the idea that we are adopted as sons, but our action make us unadopted. That doesn't make any sense logically or biblically.

[VictorLepanto]

@bigboytenor: Someone far wiser them me once said, "A proof text is merely a pre-text." Such is the typical ways of Calvinism. It illustrates the hazzard of getting one's theology from a French lawyer. Not to disparage French lawyers, if I was suing someone in Paris, I wouldn't consult a French theologian either. Do we really have to rehearse all the innumerable verses about how we can loose our faith & go apostate. Apostasy is nonsense concept to a Calvinist.

[bigboytenor]

@VictorLepanto Have you ever studied Ephesians chapter 1? God, in His sovereignty and omniscience, predestinated those who come to faith in "before the foundation of the world." If a person is damned, it is by his or her sin and failure to trust in Christ. It is something called a dichotomy, many of which exist in Scripture. God has predestinated the elect, but we must respond in faith when called by the Father throught the conviction of the Holy Spirit and even that faith is a gift of God.

[albundyinc2]

Very informative...Thank you for posting.

[VictorLepanto]

"His own sense of logic?" Well, isn't THAT exactly what both Luther & Calvin did? This distinction between Calvinism & hyper-calvinism is a distinction w/o a difference. Something that (frankly) I find to be a big sport amongst Calvinist defenders. Even if the Gospel is preached to everyone, only the elect will be converted. Even if God is said to only predestine the elect, by failing to elected the reprobate, He necessarily allows them to be damned. Meaningless!