Renaissance Martial Arts and Modern Military Combatives

A comparative survey of ancient, medieval and Renaissance European martial arts techniques that are found in the current U.S. Army and Marine Corps combatives manuals (US Army FM 3-25.150 and MCRP 3-02B, respectively).

See PaulusHectorMair.com for the companion article.

The music is a 16th century piece titled "Prager Tanze", performed by Collegium Musicum Aldovadensis.

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[GuamKomudo]

And actually I have seen drawings of Europeans grappling of the time period, and they had some moves alot like Jujitsu, even the "guard" position when you're on your back and your legs wrapped around them. I still think there is a difference, but there is only so many ways to hurt people with your body, and I'm sure we have all figured out the most effective ways in all of our history of battles...

[Caliburnis]

@GuamKomudo

Scientifically speaking? Ah, no. That's hyperbolic at best. What science? Where? Whom? How many times was this test reproduced? No, there is no evidence for the claim that the Japanese had the "most effective" sword and sword fighting system. That shows your ignorance.

China had gun powder 2,000 years before the west? Gunpowder was an invention of the 9th-10th centuries Ad. Europeans were using gunpowder by the late 1200s, early 1300s. That's 300-400 years, not 2,000.

[Rhizomio]

Fascinating. I recognised moves from Chinese taiji quan and shuai jiao. Obviously no relation, but the human body breaks the same all over the world I guess.

[MrMichael396]

@volarion IT is hollywood tradition to lie about the arts of mars.Which came the word martial arts.

[tallswede80]

@TheGyres Rommel's sources were his own experiences as an officer in WW1, and I'm sure that the modern US army manual has not replaced Rommel's small unit tactics, and continue to fail to give credit where credit is due, LOL. As far as BJJ, Brazil has had a german minority for at least a hundred years; probably the source of that shit, although I'm sure the gracie family would like to take full credit.

[TheGyres]

@tallswede80 No one is arguing that US military manuals were copied from Renaissance manuscripts. Also, the US manuals in this video are modern, not WWII-era; the US Army manual in particular is almost 100% BJJ, which I'm fairly certain didn't exist in Rommel's time.

But, considering that most of the Renaissance manuals cited in this video are German, your comment begs the question: what were Rommel's sources?

[tallswede80]

the us military manuals aren't copied from the rennaissance manuscripts, they're copied from German war manuals. The army manual for WW2, is plagiarized directly from Erwin Rommel's "Angriff", they even copied the graphics directly without modifying them at all.

[volarion]

@andyzoi not to mention holywood makes asian martial arts look godly while euro arts is reduced to "Imma randomly swing a blunt sword at you because some idiot wrote it down like this one time" seriously the movies make me cringe when i see swordfights they are just all wrong.. sorry tangent

[volarion]

@andyzoi also if your looking for info just look up hema they have maps and partner locations to guilds and groups you can join to learn honestly were just underhyped man all people generally see are SCA idiots wearing costumes hitting each othet with boffers so people think thats real

[volarion]

@andyzoi there are certifacation course for wma and especially of they are from arma its not different from asian arts. also you can spot a poser after your first look into ANY european arms manual.

[andyzoi]

On the other hand the Asian martial arts are also a mess. Usually in Japan it will take about 7 years of rigorous training before you even dream of a sword. Here in west however anyone can buy a sword, start cutting and impress the ignorant. Even worse is when holding a katana some people do acrobatic demonstrations and claim to be "Masters"

[andyzoi]

@HereTheArtBegins I know that there are some German schools with a genealogical line of teaching. Anyway we say the same thing. Most European schools disappeared because of changing times, but also because of new military tactics and weapons. However there are certain elements of western martial arts that are taught today, but i would suggest to anyone who wants to learn western martial arts to be extra cautious because there is no way to know if the instructor is truly certified to to teach