The Hockey Stick vs. Ice Core Data

An animated version of the post from WattsUpWithThat. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09...

I have uploaded a second version of the video with improved annotation and a voice-over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxmo9...

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[fishinwflies]

So what you are saying is that CO2 is so powerful it can increase heat Before it exists? You are so powerful I know you are wrong before you speak.. Say, you are right. Cause can lag effect. Hey there it is again! You are already wrong and yuo have not typed a word yet. I guess I have to take it all back. CO2 can time travel. Gee who knew? Idiot.

[paulhtremblay]

The first graph stops at 1900; the second at 1850. They cut off the warming of the modern period to make it look like 1000 AD was cooler.

Look closely.

[holyrebels]

Facts rock. Gore is a scumbag.

[cbrhawk1]

Not making it up. They have a scatterplot of all of the estimates of solar output. The scatterplot density is high all the way up to 40% with a few studies in the 50%s and I think two above 60% Your denial is not me "making it up," don't confuse the two.

[threadysparrow]

dont make shit up. just... dont

[cbrhawk1]

The Sun's influence has been estimated from 7% of the observed warming to 69%. We don't know what the total solar forcing is because the numbers have not been condensed enough to make a reliable estimate.

Remember that statistical significance has to go beyond the noise of a particular data set to mean anything. We have had no observed warming since 1986 according to Hadley, and sometime around 1995 according to GISS. The brief divergence of solar and temp lasted only about 10 years.

[threadysparrow]

i never said they figured it out. i said they have the peer reviewed scientific evidence. i am a slave of truth and science. you are lying when you say that the sun correlates to climate more than CO2. that is an obvious lie. The sun changes the climate +-0.7 degrees Celsius. The deniers use Solanki's paper as the end all be all but the same paper said: "the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming."

[cbrhawk1]

So, your argument against solar being the primary forcing is "The climatologists have figured it all out?" This is called blind faith.

There is one thing that does hold true: The Sun correlates very well with climate, far more than Carbon Dioxide does. Solanki's papers shows this correlation going back thousands of years, and shows that the 1900s appears to be the most activity from the Sun in 11000 years.

So, no, climatologists don't have it all figured out.

[threadysparrow]

wow really? you dont think the climatologists thought of that? you think there was a huge misstep that NOBODY CAUGHT?!

[cbrhawk1]

The Sun would like to have a talk with you about that.

[cbrhawk1]

You too, keyboard warrior.