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@leptismagna10 Not being created is part of the definition of God. You claim to not believe in God at all, so I don't see why it bothers you. That question in particular is attributed to shaytan, since this was a statement of the Prophet (saws), not because there is something to hide, but because shaytan tricks you and leads you to a false conclusion. That's his goal. He plays with your thought process.
Allah is the Creator, not the creation. That's what makes Him Allah.
1 year ago 7
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@leptismagna10 "even Australian aboriginals who have never heard a word in Arabic?"
Of course! Everyone is born upon the fitra, in a pure state of Islam. :-)
1 year ago 11
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You don't know for a fact that Allah wasn't created. You can only believe so. I've been told many a time when I was little that the shaytan is playing my mind when I asked such 'nonsense'. I find that there is a need to ask such a question. For many people it doesn't matter and its enough to know that Allah is eternal. But some people just cannot stop there. The fact that I should to go to juhannam for asking that is proof (to me at least) that there is something to hide.
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Thanks i'm quite familiar with surat al kafiroon. We're all born Muslim...even Australian aboriginals who have never heard a word in Arabic? Its nice, even beautiful to think that we're all born with Allah in our hearts and minds, but this is delusion and just leads to Muslim supremacy.
While its obvious you love your religion, which is wonderful, just remember that someone like you and someone like me will never see the same picture when we look at Islam and its teachings.
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@leptismagna10 Actually it doesn't at all. Allah wasn't created, so there's no need to ask that. I'm sorry of that does not suffice your curiosity.
We're all born Muslim. Denying the truth of the Qur'an won't make it any less true. Islam is a way of life, and as Allah tells us to say in the Qur'an, to you your way of life and to me my way of life.
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Why is a never ending chain logically impossible? This assumption that there is a beginning and an end has to be justified if it is to be a logical argument.
Scientists hypothesize that the big bang was the the beginning of what we describe as the universe. It would be unscientific to suggest that there was nothing before that because you would then be making an untestable hypothesis which is, by definition, unscientific.
Read the god delusion for an introduction to logic and science.
Escotch82 1 year ago
@Escotch82 Science is a tool, not a religion, as many people take it these days. It's one of many tools we use to find answers. Like any tool, it doesn't work for everything. Why have you paired science and logic as if they are the same? They are two different things entirely. The big bang is the beginning of the physical universe and the laws of physics, so you're right, we cant rely on them to figure out what was before, but logic, however, may reach beyond the universe. :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago 37
Oh and why is a never ending chain impossible? Specifically talking about an infinite regress, if we're saying that everything is a result of the thing before it, but the chain goes back into infinity, then the chain could never have begun in the first place, so such a chain could not possibly exist. Therefore, if there is a chain, it must have a beginning.
dawahaddict 1 year ago 24
You don't really understand what evidence is do you. You're using a pretty easily refuted. In fact your argument is so good that it refutes itself, ie. who created god?
When scientists talk about the beginning of the universe, they are talking about the beginning of what WE define as the universe. They have no way of knowing what was before then and it would be unscientific to comment that there was nothing before then.
I personally believe it was the speghetti monster that created god.
Escotch82 1 year ago
@Escotch82 Man the shayateen don't quit lol. Come on, who created God? Are we still with this? Nothing created God. He wasn't created. It's like you're looking at uneaten bowl of cereal and asking, "Who ate my cereal?!" Obviously no one can answer because your cereal was not eaten. All that can be said is that no one at your cereal.
You're right. It would be unscientific, because it's beyond science, but not necessarily beyond understanding, or beyond logic. Not everything is science.
dawahaddict 1 year ago 30