Part 25 of 25 Justification By Faith - Sungenis vs White

Robert Sungenis and James White debate the issue of Sola Fide. Are we justified by faith alone, or is it not by faith alone? Are works necessary for Salvation? What role does grace play?

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[hankhanegraaff]

Calvinists are predestined for a bad theology

a depraved theology if you will.

[pacislander4life]

Hank, do you still have a radio program?

[sprtslvr1973]

Are White and Sugenis friends?

[pacislander4life]

You're kidding right? :-)

[John631517]

White is right. Amen. God will not be robbed of His glory

[pacislander4life]

He won't. I don't see why that means Calvinism is right though. If one defines "glory" as having to mean that God does everything, and man has no free will to choose, then of course the Catholic system "robs" God's glory. However, I don't think the definition of "glory" necessarily means God has to do all of it...

[Area0052]

James White Got Creamed !

[ryangatech]

Closing thought: did Paul really mean that we are actually justified by any type of works? When he says: we are "not justified by works" in Romans 4 - does he actually mean we are, just a different sort? What kind of clear gospel message is that?

[ryangatech]

Excellent debate, many of my questions were anticipated and answered by White. James 2 is a dead horse beaten to death by the RCC, who can't accept the fact the justification is before men (show me, you see - clearly speaking of men) is in view here. Nonetheless, I found Sungenis's arguments overall well formulated and I as a Calvinist can appreciate that, especially since it's the only way I can learn to respond to these questions myself.

[sprtslvr1973]

No. I ve seen where debaters do change from bitter rivals to friendly counterparts. Flynt and Falwell are an example.

[barbapartida]

Knowall77 I don't think you understand what this passage of scripture means. You see Jesus was using the Mosaic Law (he quoted six of the Ten Commandments) to prove to this man that he was not good in God's eyes. The man tried to justify himself by saying he kept these commandments. Then Jesus brought the first commendment "to have no other god's before me." which he had not kept. Galations 3:24 says the Law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we are justified by faith.

[knowall77]

just one more evidence. when a man came toJesus and asked Lord wht do i have to do tobe saved. jesus answered honored thy father and mother and obey the commandments. the man said i do all those things, the Jesus go and sell all your possessions and give to the poor.Jesus never said just have faith and be saved. thnk God for Sungenis