The Monty Collier Report: September 2, 2011

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[Afrikitty]

@TotalInabilityTruth How do you understand ANYTHING unless it is through intellect? Scripture which make this very clear. For instance, in John 6, after all the disciples had walked away from Jesus, he asked the 12, "Will ye also go away?" Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the WORDS of eternal life. And we BELIEVE AND ARE SURE that thou art THAT Christ, the Son of the living God." John 6:67-69

Be very careful when maligning the intellect.

[Afrikitty]

@TotalInabilityTruth Scripture says" As a man THINKS IN HIS HEART, so is he." - Proverbs 23:7.

Christ was also very careful to tell us that it is not we who "have a relationship" with him, but HE who knows His sheep. In the Matthew 7 account, Christ says to the goats "I NEVER KNEW YOU", not, "You never knew me." He also says, his sheep follow him BECAUSE THEY HEAR HIS VOICE. How do they hear His voice? Through the Scriptures, which are to be UNDERSTOOD with the heart/mind.

[RedBeetle]

@TotalInabilityTruth,

You will have to prove that God is not the first cause, if you wish to maintain that there is a law outside, above, beyond, behind, or whatever else you can dream up. Your claim is unBiblical. Also, you are equivocating on the term 'determine.' The subject under discussion is whether God's will is free or is determined by some created thing.

Again, Schaeffer is discussing "free-will vs determinism."

[RedBeetle]

@TotalInabilityTruth,

Listen, you need to take a class in logic. The word 'proposition' is ambiguous, that is, it's susceptible to more than one meaning. Schaeffer is using the term in the following sense: the meaning of a declarative sentence.

Dr. Gordon H. Clark, in his excellent book "Logic," gives the following definition for the term 'proposition': "The meaning expressed by a declarative sentence" (page 131). Why not check for yourself? This is basic.

Got Logic?

[RedBeetle]

@TotalInabilityTruth,

You did NOT answer me. You claimed that believing the Gospel is NOT SUFFICIENT, for devils believe it and tremble. Your heretical claim is a denial of Sola Fide in particular and the Bible in general. Claiming you believe in Sovereign Grace only contradicts your previous claim. You cannot have your theological cake and eat it, too. You do not profess the pure Gospel, for you have mixed it with the Law. In Calvinism, we believe in Sola Fide.

[TotalInabilityTruth]

@RedBeetle I don't believe for one moment in anything but the blood of Jesus and God's Sovereign grace in application in same 100% by His own power and grace. It is God working in us to will and to do according to His own good pleasure. We can do absolutely nothing apart from Christ and God's own Spirit moving us. One must declare Jesus Lord by the Spirit believing the gospel. Scripture states. That is not "works". If someone cannot say, "Jesus is Lord" by the Spirit, not saved.

[TotalInabilityTruth]

@RedBeetle A proposition is a proposal. It asks a question and puts the person who answers the question in the power position of declaration of "yes or no". I don't agree at all in putting God in the position of "proposing". God rules.

prop·o·si·tion [prop-uh-zish-uhn] Show IPA

noun

1.

the act of offering or suggesting something to be considered, accepted, adopted, or done.

2.

a plan or scheme proposed.

3.

an offer of terms for a transaction, as in business.

[TotalInabilityTruth]

@RedBeetle You know what -- you're just being rude and disrespectful. The man moved away from Jesus. You can try to justify his rejection of God in calling God "non-determined". He has NO BASIS in God. He has a void. A "non-determined God" is not God. He's a void. This man is a deconstructionist.  He's speaking out of his own void.

[RedBeetle]

@LAStreetPreacher,

The context does not support your interpretation of the remark in question. Determinism is quite Biblical (see Acts 4:28, for example, or read Martin Luther's "The Bondage Of The Will" for a comprehensive treatment of the entire Biblical subject), and the Bible is quite philosophical, for it has a complete epistemology, metaphysics, ethics, politics, ect. Schaeffer is dealing with the topic of "free-will vs determinism." The Bible teaches determinism.

[RedBeetle]

@TotalInabilityTruth,

You have been deceived by the heresy of Lordship Salvation, which wrongly teaches that devils believe the Gospel, so faith alone is not enough. Paul Washer is a teacher of this heresy on Youtube, so is John Piper. No where in the Bible does it teach "devils believe the Gospel." In James 2:19, it says the devils believe there is one God (monotheism), and that's not the same thing as believing the Gospel. If one believes the Gospel, then one is saved.