The end of the service Christmas eve 12-24-08
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Like Saint Patricks, Saint John The Divine is an impressive Gothic Cathedral. Fortunate to have seen both.
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@frattington The "garb and ceremonial of the Anglican-based liturgy is so strongly reminiscent of a commencement exercise" because modern academic regalia grew out of, and evolved alongside, the clerical dress of the English Church (specifically at Oxford & Cambridge). Today if you go to Morning or Evening Prayer at an Episcopal Church you'll often see the cleric wearing an academic hood representing their school and degree. I think it's a neat continuation of a centuries-old tradition.
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@jorgecarrillo2 Sigh, no where did I say Jesus lacked detail. I said that he did not define or segregate men or women into categories. Men can consegrate women cannot. Women had faith - Thomas did not. He needed physical touch to believe. Mary could believe. It is a great leap to think because Jesus allowed Thomas to touch him men are consecrated. it just proves to Jesus men pushed them harder to believe. But I am done with this conv. Women are equal to men & can stand at the altar w/0 doubt
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Can you see it?, he didn't allowed a women to touch him, but he called a Man to do it, Why?, only he knows. But if we truly believe that the consecrated species are his flesh and blood, his indivisible body, Why can't we respect his expresed will?
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Nobody says that as women you can not spread His word among People. But to celebrate consecration is quite different. Remember the passage when he was just risen and Magdalene almost touched him, he stopped her to do so, but when he went to the 12, he called Thomas to put his hand inside his chest.
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Jesus accepts you, no doubt, but to assume that The Lord was omissive or that he didn't called women to the 12 as result of a lack of attention to details, is very dangerous.
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@jorgecarrillo2 There were no women among the twelve. Nonetheless, Jesus did not exclude women or anyone outside of the twelve. He did not say only these twelve can spread the word. There are examples where Jesus sent out large groups of people to heal and spread the word. And, he did not define anyone as priest that is a later construct of the church.
We could go back and forth on this and most likely never agree. The Jesus I have come to know accepts me as I am, as he accepted everyone.
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@SandraLeeSchubert How many women were among the 12? and among the 72? hte idea is that although Jesus came to save men and women,he comissioned men to be ministers of the church, why? only he knows, but we most respect.
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How many women were among the 12?
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Everybody know that women were followers of Jesus, but, among the twelve can we see any lady?
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As an American Episcopalian from Lutheran stock, let me say this is glorious and a fitting tribute to God from mankind using all the talents He gave us. Glorious, yes. Over the top, no. Smug? You may be the judge. My opinion is it a small introduction to the glories of God.
brianej33 2 years ago 5
Yay for the Anglicans :-D
sykobeachparty 2 years ago 3