White Horse Inn- Roman Catholics and Justification Part 4

Michael Horton talks with Robert Sungenis, president of Catholic Apologetics International about the Roman Catholic understanding of the doctrine of justification in order to contrast it with the classical Protestant position.

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[MRKetter81]

@CASEYMARK76 Well considering it wasn't an argument to begin with I'm not that concerned.

[CASEYMARK76]

@MRKetter81 Using the informal fallacy of composition is no way to establish the truth. Your argument is digressing into irrationalism.

[MRKetter81]

@RedBeetle You're heckling more like a Nietzschian atheist than someone who suposively carries the name of Christ.

[MRKetter81]

@RedBeetle I never once said the church is infallible which shows you weren't listening.

[RedBeetle]

@MRKetter81,

Your "guilt by association" comparison is vague and absurd, for you have not made a comparison of doctrine or method. You need to take a class in logic.

Your spelling and grammar are pathetic, but it seems you are arguing that the visible church (especially as an institution) is infallible. You are a Roman Catholic, chump. Scripture Alone is infallible--you're just a pitiful sinner.

[RedBeetle]

@MRKetter81,

You wrote: "Well why then are you alone in despute?"

Your assertion is that one person cannot be correct. This is an appeal to numbers (or a lack of numbers--LOL), and it is the fallacy of Ad Populum.

If only one person claimed 2+2=4, would he be wrong?

All institutions, especially those that claim to be churches, are to be judged by Scripture Alone. Read Acts 1711. You've the Roman Catholic view, chump.

[MRKetter81]

It's like saying head on collisions can cause you to get killed so driving cars will kill you; well in that case so does traveling by foot, so what's your point? The church is not a perfect institution, so that means you should reject anything anyone says associated with it? Just like 9-11 conspiracy theorist who make convoluted claims about connection they see in the gorvernment that aren't there, you call out people as agents of Rome. How pretentious can you get?

[MRKetter81]

@RedBeetle The guilt by association you share with 9-11 conspiracy theorists is a fair comparison considering you seek to do the same by comparing others to Rome. Also what kind of conection you get from the doctrine of total depravity and sola scriptura equating to the visible institution of the church being unreliable is a beond awful irrelavant comparison of theological systems that have little to do with one another.

[MRKetter81]

@RedBeetle My appeal is not to numbers, but to the apostles who instituted the visible church in the first place. You are making claims against the institution of the church. The burden of proof is now on you to prove your claims, and from what I've witnessed so far you haven't. Martin Luther had the scriptures of Paul to appeal to, all I've seen you do is appeal to your own oppion. You think the Holy Spirit has done a bad job in keeping the visible church?

[RedBeetle]

@MRKetter81 ,

Your appeal to numbers is the fallacy of Ad Populum. We don't count noses to see who is right or wrong. Your pitiful attempt to associate me with 9-11 conspiracy theorists is the fallacy of guilt by association. Your appeal to the reliability of the visible / institutional church is a denial of Total Depravity and Sola Scriptura. Did Michael Horton teach you that?--LOL Take your Catholicism back to Rome. Learn basic logic, chump.