got to know some erudite folks and looked them up in the US, one of them gentle Rick Parker, living with wife & dog on the shore of the Concord River, author of "Exploring the Waste Land":
@oldpossum It's called the humility topos. Eliot didn't really believe that. Anyway, Pound's skills as an editor are not in question and he was a fine poet, but he was also a fascist, an anti-semite, and a traitor to his country. In short, he was an asshole
Lordy, who picked the music for this, it's dreadfully not relevant to the subject, nor does it help as bbackground to the poetry.
IzzyIsou 6 months ago
Gotta love Eliot reading to the great Portishead tune.
scotchvelo 8 months ago
whats the song at 7:40? its also in the william burroughs arena documentary, sounds so classic lol
tracksuitjim 9 months ago
@DarKool81 Just things one picks up along the way....
About TWL: Once was a member of an TSE-Discussion Forum, some kind of highbrow chat room,
://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/eliot-listserv.html
got to know some erudite folks and looked them up in the US, one of them gentle Rick Parker, living with wife & dog on the shore of the Concord River, author of "Exploring the Waste Land":
://world.std.com/~raparker/exploring/thewasteland/
oldpossum 9 months ago
@oldpossum Wow, the Oxford Book of Quotations must be your Vade Mecum
DarKool81 9 months ago
@DarKool81 On TSE's religiosity:
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." -Aristotle
oldpossum 9 months ago
@oldpossum Pound never acquired such wisdom. 4 Quartets is certainly a better work than the Waste Land (despite its religiosity).
DarKool81 9 months ago
@DarKool81, from memory (tried to memorize 4Q):
"Do not let me hear about the wisdom of old men,
But rather of their folly, their fear
Of fear and frenzy, their fear
Of belonging to others or to another, or to God.
The only wisdom we can hope to acquire
Is the wisdom of humility.
Humility is endless."
oldpossum 9 months ago
@oldpossum It's called the humility topos. Eliot didn't really believe that. Anyway, Pound's skills as an editor are not in question and he was a fine poet, but he was also a fascist, an anti-semite, and a traitor to his country. In short, he was an asshole
DarKool81 9 months ago
@DarKool81, TSE admired him deeply, called him "Il Miglior Fabbro", the better worker. Pound did most of the editing of Eliot's The Waste Land.
oldpossum 9 months ago