REFUTING CALVE ISLAM: STATEMENT 2

Refutation on statement 2.

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• brainout
• calve islam
• calvinism
• sovereignty of god
• predestination
• defending calvinism

[MrSuperchicken1]

I see you have ran into the limited mind of Edward. I just came into contact with Brainouty, and we are aligned on the KJ Only controversy, but opposed on Calvinism.

[edwardpf123]

LOL! You're not saying anything! You don't even know what your own theology teaches regarding the Decrees of God.

God isn't influenced by man, He controls all things and knows only what He has decreed based on His own sovereign choice. So, stop trying to smuggle in a Biblical concept into Calvinism, it isn't there.

[vekl]

LOL!! you're killing me here. You're not listening at all.

[edwardpf123]

Hey, I didn't say that it does, I said that is what Calvinism teaches. Man cannot influence God in Calvinism because that would mean that God foresaw actions taking place in time that God responded to. That is not the Calvinist view of knowledge. Every act exists because God decreed it first and then foreknew it.

So, you had better go and study your Calvinism. God foreknows people before they are created outside of time, not in it.

That is when they are elected (according to Calvinism)

[vekl]

LOL, and you call ME dense! It's no use talking to you. You are simply not paying attention at all. Let me say this slooooooly!! If man influences God, as we see in the bible, that still does not negate His sovereignty over that event. Calvinists do not say that God foreknows His decrees. He foreknows people!

[edwardpf123]

Hey are you really that dense? What you are talking about is middle knowledge, the very thing that Calvinists reject. The Calvinists hold that God only forknows what He decrees. God decreed what He wanted man to do, man's actions aren't influencing Him one bit.

You are confusing Calvinism with Arminianism.

And Eph.1:11 deals with someone who is saved, hence the inheritance and predestination.

[vekl]

Of course I know and believe that God has decreed all things. That doesn't mena that He didn't decree the moments where He is moved by man. and again, that is not free will, that is STILL very much, God's sovereignty. Ephesians 1:11

[vekl]

Again, you are not listening. You can't really explain a paradox, can you? Otherwise, it would NOT be called a paradox!! Do you even know what the word means?

[edwardpf123]

Oh, now you are saying that man can influence God in some mysterious way?

Well that is NOT Calvinism. Calvinism teaches that God has decided everything. Yes, Calvinists do deny that. You DON'T explain it you say it is a paradox. The fact is that Calvinism states that only what God has decreed before creation will happen. Nothing that man can influence God since God is the one who determined what was going to happen before man was created.

You are talking utter nonsense now and you know it.

[vekl]

I don't know how many times I'm gonna have to pummel this in your head, bro. I admit that man has some mysterious ability to influence God. Calvinist do not deny this. It's in the bible! You saw my video and how I explain it. But that has NOTHING to do with salvation. You are being selective with your listening and understanding. You need to pay more attention and do less preparation for arguing.