@balamquitzeramos you will not easily snap a rope by falling on it, what do you think they're made for? most ropes will take a factor 1 fall with only 2 or 3 core strands. besides which ropes are stretchy so you cant really shock load them. this video shows well the only situation where this strength would be an advantage, jugging up the rope everything else just loads the core the sheath is just there for protection.
I suspect a clamp on a rope doesn't put loads on the sheath and core in the same proportion as loading with a figure-eight or with any rap device. I'm no physicist but wouldn't a clamp put much more load on the sheath? The only real-world comparison I can imagine is lowering someone by Grigri (or other caming device) in a top-rope situation or yourself on a fixed rope while the sheath gets cut; not a real realistic situation.
The benefits of this rope are obvious without more elaborate tests. If the sheath is cut by abrasion you won't slide down the rope! That's huge. If the sheath tears you will slide until you hit the knot at the bottom. If there are two of you on the rope, the momentum of the fall suddenly loading the rope could EASILY snap it rope and even if it doesn't, you'll be stuck unable to ascend any more without a sheath! You could jerryrig it with a kliemheist and 'biner but it will get messy.
This looks like a marketing advert. I would want to know how much 'load' each rope was put under, as well as the characteristics of how the test was setup. Depth of cuts, load, time under load length of rope etc....
That being said as Sublime865 said tying each end of the rope(which should be done anyway) should prevent this, unless the core is much more elastic then the sheath.
This is a moot point on tied ends though isn't it? The core is in the knot, you would have to cut the core too I would think. Same for belay devices I would think, since the full core goes through and gets pinched, though I wonder.
@balamquitzeramos you will not easily snap a rope by falling on it, what do you think they're made for? most ropes will take a factor 1 fall with only 2 or 3 core strands. besides which ropes are stretchy so you cant really shock load them. this video shows well the only situation where this strength would be an advantage, jugging up the rope everything else just loads the core the sheath is just there for protection.
mea08mw1 1 month ago
I suspect a clamp on a rope doesn't put loads on the sheath and core in the same proportion as loading with a figure-eight or with any rap device. I'm no physicist but wouldn't a clamp put much more load on the sheath? The only real-world comparison I can imagine is lowering someone by Grigri (or other caming device) in a top-rope situation or yourself on a fixed rope while the sheath gets cut; not a real realistic situation.
swolpert98 1 month ago
I would like to see the comparison done, with a tied off figure 8, and a grigri/atc
As it is my belief that this design will only offer benefits while using a surface clamp device or acender.
I might buy one, when another company does it better.
Northernblades 1 month ago
Che bello, ora non ho più paura che qualche speleologo pazzo armato di taglierino mi tagli la corda...
mirkomk79 1 month ago
The benefits of this rope are obvious without more elaborate tests. If the sheath is cut by abrasion you won't slide down the rope! That's huge. If the sheath tears you will slide until you hit the knot at the bottom. If there are two of you on the rope, the momentum of the fall suddenly loading the rope could EASILY snap it rope and even if it doesn't, you'll be stuck unable to ascend any more without a sheath! You could jerryrig it with a kliemheist and 'biner but it will get messy.
balamquitzeramos 1 month ago
I would like to see this in direct comparison, vs something like a mamut rope.
Using a atc/grigri, and a figure 8.
and see if this rope shows any benefit at all over standard ropes.
No doubt, if you take a rope with a fused shieth/core, it will do better when held only by a surface clamp device, dur.
Northernblades 1 month ago
This looks like a marketing advert. I would want to know how much 'load' each rope was put under, as well as the characteristics of how the test was setup. Depth of cuts, load, time under load length of rope etc....
That being said as Sublime865 said tying each end of the rope(which should be done anyway) should prevent this, unless the core is much more elastic then the sheath.
sinrtb 1 month ago
This is a moot point on tied ends though isn't it? The core is in the knot, you would have to cut the core too I would think. Same for belay devices I would think, since the full core goes through and gets pinched, though I wonder.
Sublime865 1 month ago
"Looks like we all got...."
*Removes sunglasses*
"Roped into watching this one"
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DutchMasterStatus 1 month ago
look...
gatolyek 1 month ago