Sociology is a Martial Art -Pierre Bourdieu
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@princtonbodysculptng (thanks for your comments by the way!)
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@princtonbodysculptng Also I'd like to point out that in the process of protecting individual rights, the "group" emerges in the conjunction of interests. To take a hypothetical example, if someone wants to build a noisy club in a quiet area, the individuals that live there might go to court as a group to stop it happening. In this case the rights of the "group" (taken as all the individual wishes added up) usurp the individual. Positive rights are trumped by the negative rights of the group.
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@princtonbodysculptng I agree that notions of the group can be negative and undermine individual freedom, but I would take issue with the statement "we are self interested [...] human nature". You say that individuals are undermined by the group but then proceed to outline a notion of what it fundamentally means to be a human being (our human nature). But is classification this not another kind of imposition on the individual? If anything it privileges a particular instance of human behaviour.
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@princtonbodysculptng Yes, I agreed that group do not "exist" (independently of human agency). I wanted to make the point that belief motivates action and constituted a tangible "reality", thereby making "groups" a valid category for analysis. Beliefs are unavoidable features of the human world. It is a completely separate point to say that it is detrimental for people to hold this belief.
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@CellphoneProfitInc furthermore, the assumption that fundamentally people are motivated by self interest may be perfectly correct (which seemed perfectly reasonable to me about 10 mins ago), however this is precisely the kind of psycholgical reductionism certain sociologists were accused of with respect to groups. It's an imagining of the inner workings of human psychology, speculations from its outward effects, and from peoples' reports, but can we really make such fundamental claims?
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@CellphoneProfitInc I agree that groups do not "exist" in the positivist sense of an unitary mass of people subject to rules of behaviour. Clearly what is called "society" is made up of individuals with divergent motivations. However, part of these motivations also INCLUDE the belief that they belong to groups. We can easily resolve this into a fundamental self interest, but it still remains that the group is a motivational factor and thus a valid analytical category.
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sociology is based on the fallacy that groups actually exist. rather, individuals pursuing separate self interests exist and seek others for mutual gain.
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oh Bourdieu. I get the boner.
As a former sociology student, then you have Bordieu in front of you... And what to do you do? EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR LISTENING, i feel ashamed for her.
Yoshies87 1 year ago 27
Pierre's Bourdieu's forty books and countless articles represent probably the most brilliant and fruitful renovation and application of social science in our era. Cant name Bourdieu without mentioning Galtung
fruitsofescapism 2 years ago 22