Michael Shermer Jonathan Wells Evolution Debate [3 of 7]

At the CATO Institute.

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[revo1974]

Creationist always say that we knowone has ever observed a species evolving into another.

Has anyone ever witnessed a new species pop into existense via magic?

[AlxSnowxMatchsxRule]

"no one has demonstrated how it[the eye] evolved through a darwinian process" straight up lie.

[TheThunderduck]

Wells' argument can be summed up in one sentence. Darwins theory is wrong because I believe in God.

[TheRightThinker]

@revo1974 man you don't fuckin make sense, getting a word from google doesn't make you smart. I am a chemistry major, I have taken physics courses, don't try to educate me kid. My skills are lacking? You say we cannot explain how it is expanding like an idiot, then you say we can't explain how it all started. Of course dummy, it took you 4 comments to realize that, I said that during my 1st comment

[revo1974]

@TheRightThinker

....Quantum fluctuation models, if found to be true, will not violate the law of conservation of energy.

We do know why the Universe is expanding, but we do not know what "initially" caused it to expand.

No disrespect, but your reading comprehension skills are lacking. You have demonstrated this numerous times.

[revo1974]

@TheRightThinker

You're very confused and obviously not up to date on contemporary cosmology. The notion that the Universe derived from a sea of energy as a quantum fluctuation has been around for a number of years. It's entirely theoretical, however, recent cosmological data supports it. Do some research on quantum fluctuation models and watch the documentary, which can be found here on YouTube that I recommended to you.

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[TheRightThinker]

@revo1974 Now I know for sure you never took a physics course in your life. "Universe derived from a sea of energy" where did that energy come from. Fundamental laws of physics, energy is neither created or destroyed. Also they can explain why the universe is expanding, it's a question of how it all started. They could explain it, otherwise they would not have the knowledge to build that lab lol

[TheRightThinker]

@revo1974 speciation.does not give rise to new organism with different number of chromosomes. speciation. is only a mutant form of the old organism, that expands independently in different conditions. You need to re-read your google results about biology

[revo1974]

@TheRightThinker

The evolutionary process by which new species arise is called speciation. This has been observed directly and indirectly numerous times. We have evidence that a species of fireweed formed by doubling of the chromosome count, from the original stock.

I don't believe we have directly observed chromosomal speciation, but its quite clear that it has happened. Are you suggesting that a theistic god intervenes and magically makes new species with different chromosomes?

[revo1974]

@TheRightThinker

That lab is called CERN. Dark energy is the force that counters gravity and causes the Universe to expand. It has not been observed and is not really understood. It is just postulated because they know their is an effect that counters gravity causing expansion.

There are quantum fluctuation models that suggest the Universe derived from a sea of energy. Check out "A Universe from Nothing", a lecture given by Lawrence Krauss.

[TheRightThinker]

@revo1974 Of course like I said no one is denying evolution, just take a semester long biology lab you will see it yourself. But macroevolution is very questionable, it has not been observed, an organism cannot reproduce into an offspring with different number of chromosomes and still be viable and fertile, yet we see in life organisms range from chromosome 1 to couple of hundred

[TheRightThinker]

@revo1974 No they know the reason and cause of expansion it is observed in a big laboratory in Switzerland I think. The real question is HOW and from Where that small matter came from and started expanding