Ayn Rand - Reason Requires Capitalism

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  • Damn... Ayn Rand just gave me another mind-gasm...

  • "A gun is not an argument".

    I love Ayn Rand!

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  • @sasatwood I have re-watched the video and I still do not see the error in my logic which you believe exists. I understand her point that man's nature is individualistic, but is it a categorical imperative to allow man to act as he must to survive? Is reason morally good? I believe (through my own logic which may or may not reflect the true nature of reality) that neither can be confirmed for the reasons I stated in my last post. You may "correct" me if you wish but I do not ask for it.

  • Ayn fully addressed the Hume "is/ought" problem imagined here. Life being a system of actions, there are surely real ideals perceived by its participants, be they an ameoba or a nihilist.

    To say that someone should wet a towel and attempt to save the baby in a building which is burning down and does NOT assume that the baby is worth saving, but assumes that the towel will suffice for both th baby and the person attempting the rescue. Perhaps two towels will be necessary.

  • While I respect Ayn Rand’s willingness to think individualistically, her moral argument is ultimately based on an assumption, that human survival is good in and of itself. Objectively, to say that human survival is good in and of itself and the basis for all ethical principles is an assumption. To use some philosophical terminology, the assertion is nothing more than a hypothetical imperative: If I want humanity to persist I ought to do such and such. Practical reason has its limitations.

  • @ImAznnn Socially influenced = peer pressure. Advertisements are not the problem. Fraud is. If something is advertised using fraud, then yes, it is a problem. Advertisements that are not fraudulent are not a problem. Quite frankly, I would not have known my brother was getting married, when or where, except that he advertised it to me. And so what if I buy something I don't need? Are wants bad? Forget music, sports, entertainment... All just evil according to you.

  • @Barry, completely irrelevant.

  • Capitalism does requires reason, and that means not believing in a higher power, a god or something.

  • @TracyII77 Just b/c I said it was socially influenced doesn't mean I was peer pressured. It could mean advertisements and popularity of the product have clouded my judgement.

    Any way to impose ideas not based on truth upon people is a way of influencing people to do something they don't want.

    At that time I did want to buy an Ipod but I never contemplated about where my idea was coming from.

    Monetary influences meaning ads that manipulate people to buy things that they don't need.

  • @ImAznnn I didn't assume anything. You are the who stated, "The reason I bought an ipod was because it was a socially influenced goal." And quite frankly, how do you influence people to do things they don't want to do? Did you or did you not want to buy an ipod? And how is anyone else supposed to know what it is you want? And what is monetary influences? I work to get paid so that I can acquire all things I do want. Money is merely the tool to get those things.

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