Debate Part 1 Introductory Arguments on Genetics, Race, and Intelligence

Introductory arguments Fringeelements V. TheSkepticalHeretic

Decent quality sound working the citations into the film as we speak however the list I used is below, Fringeelements extended list is here:
http://ryanfaulkspoints.blogspot.com/2011/08/links.html

My sources:

Lee 2008 http://genomebiology.com/2008/9/7/404


Graves 2006 http://raceandgenomics.ssrc.org/Graves/

Rushton Elsevier 2008 James Watson's most inconvenient truth: Race realism and the moralistic fallacy

Rushton Skuy, Fridjhon 2002: http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Ravens%20III.pdf

Rushton Gewer Osrin Skuy http://tv.isg.si/site/ftpaccess/elogedusavoir/Effects%20of%20mediated%20learn...

Hartmann 2009 http://pubget.com/paper/19205953

Brooks, Holdnack 2011 http://asm.sagepub.com/content/18/2/156

Benson Hulac 2010 http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/pas/22/1/121/

Loring and Bauer 2009 http://www.neurology.org/content/74/8/685

Marks 2010 "IQ Variations Across Time Race and Nationality AN Artifact in differences in Literacy Skills"
http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pr0.106.3.643-664?journalCode=pr0

Helms 1992 "Why is there no study of cultural equivalence in standardized cognitive ability testing?"
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/amp/47/9/1083/

Jablonski 2006 Skin: A Natural History http://litmed.med.nyu.edu/Annotation?action=view&annid=12718

Li Sadler 1991 Low Nucleotide Diversity in Man http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1204640/pdf/ge1292513.pdf

Fischer 2003 Evidence for Complex Demographic History of Chimpanzees
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/5/799.abstract

Jorde Wooding 2004 Genetic variation, classification and 'race'
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/pdf/ng1435.pdf

Long and Kittles 2003 "Human Genetic Diversity and the Nonexistence of Biological Races"
http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/human_biology/v075/75.4long.pdf

Pesta, Bryan J. and Poznanski, Peter J. (2008). "Black-White differences on IQ and grades: The mediating role of elementary cognitive tasks." Intelligence. Vol 36, Issue 4, 323-329.

Rowe and Rodgers 2005 sample size bias in Rushton and Jensen's research
http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0003-066X.60....

American Anthropological Society http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm

Keita et all 2004 http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1455.html

Lieberman & Jackson 2009 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1995.97.2.02a00030/abstract;jse...

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[153370371]

You mention at 11:00 that some published study, Tizard (1972) found an "IQ correlation of 20% [sic]" for MZ twins raised apart, and this appears to be a central part of your argument on this occasion. But I cannot find any Tizard paper dealing with MZ twins raised apart and mentioning this correlation. Can you please supply more precise information on this, thanks?

Also, correlation is not measured in percent. So are you really talking about r squared here, or r?

[theskepticalheretic]

@153370371 Going off of Fringe's sources, not mine. You'd want to ask him for his Tizard papers. And the correlation was .2, not 20%. A misstatement on my part.

[Dubbidubdub]

Do you believe it's possible for one to significantly improve his IQ in his lifetime without resorting to medication or surgery?

[theskepticalheretic]

@Dubbidubdub depends on the person.

[RadioFreeWisconsin]

Are you a Kennedy? You look and sound like one.

[theskepticalheretic]

@RadioFreeWisconsin nope.

[theskepticalheretic]

@GnomesAmok that's not accurate. Not all libertarians are racists.

[JayJayAbels]

For those of you allergic to bullshit... the real ass kicking begins at 10:35.

[Lkonae]

Different races have different body shapes, muscle fibre variations etc. etc. This gives them the physical edge in certain sports when compared to the average of a member of another race. Is it not only logical that if there are disparities in regards to physical ability, that there would be disparities in regards to mental capabilities? Unless of course, you claim that different muscle type concentrations and body shape/size is due to environmental factors.

[PK779able]

Every academic hereditarian of merit agrees that hybrid testing with modern genotypic analysis would provide an unequivocal test of the genetic hypothesis (Levin (1997); Rushton and Jensen (2005); Sesardic (2005); Murray (2005), etc). As James Lee (2009) has noted in his “Review of intelligence and how to get it: R.E. Nisbett, Norton, New York, NY,” the unwillingness Nisbett and others show when it comes to calling for such tests speaks volumes about the sincerity of their claims.

[PK779able]

In terms of one of the fallacies here, about genetic variation within chimpanzees, as Greg Cochran notes they also have a lot more genetic diversity than dogdom – while dog phenotypes vary wildly, more than any other mammal. The key is correlated genetic differences in coding genes – which is what selection produces.

[PK779able]

In terms of race and genetics I'd recommend you consider Professor Steve Hsu's post on 40 years of clustering, and Metric on the space of genomes and the scientific basis for race. It might clear up some misconceptions the author of this video has.

[PK779able]

@JayJayAbels I'd also recommend Professor Steve Hsu's post on recent human evolution, discussing the Cochran & Harpending book "The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution", demography and fast evolution, and his post with psychometric links.

[rightwingHateSpeech]

@theskepticalheretic Just leave them be.

[rightwingHateSpeech]

@theskepticalheretic "i used to not have a problem with the jews, it wasn't until later I saw the truth."

Mein Kemp

Only learn that from reading the book.

[gmccall22]

@eleutheromaniac You haven't made any pertinent points. At least not to me. All African blacks are grouped together by Race and Intelligence guru psychologist, but in BIOLOGICAL TERMS, it makes no sense to group them at all...Apparently you're not familiar with Oxford U GENETICIST Steven Rose's research..Reality? That's YOUR reality, not mine..Apparently you've ignore or don't know that there's "DATA"saying whites aren't smarter. Seems your comments are based on how YOU "Feel"

[eleutheromaniac]

@gmccall22 you're only forcing me to reiterate the same points I've already made.

If you're going to reject every piece of emperical data that proves white people are more intelligent, and as a result create better more stable societies than black people, then what else is there?

I can only show you the reality of demographics. Whether you choose to acknowledge that reality is entirely up to you.