Chomsky - Perle Debate - Part 7

Noam Chomsky and Richard Perle debate US foreign policy at Ohio State University in 1988.

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[nameherejony]

Thirdly, the threat is not tangible, it is a conceptual threat - the plans for 9/11 could have been hatched anywhere, given the willing individuals. The notion that al Quida would be somehow more threatening with a 'base' in Afghanistan is illogical.

On that premise the US would have to intervene wherever such conceptions arose, again, stupidity.

[KentAllard]

Then Venezeula & Cuba should invade Florida because guess where Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Corillas are

[kryptonickraze]

Chomsky: 10 Perle: 0

[dihydrohydroxycodein]

@KentAllard

Luis Posada Carriles got aquitted. God bless America. What the fuck?

[canteluna]

@44warjunkie Abolishing "those passages" would be almost impossible to achieve & as someone who believes in free speech & that books should not be censored, I wouldn't support such an effort.

Fundamental Western religions are slowly dying, given the rise of science & alternative forms of spirituality which understand the concept of god as metaphor. They will fade away when they have nothing to contribute to culture.

People use religion to understand the metaphysical aspects of life.

[44warjunkie]

@canteluna I agree with you as far as religion being a part of our human identity, but it belongs in the history books now and not on our contemporary state. Condemning is not enough, we need to explicitly abolish them because as long as those passages are there, we will continue to kill each other on the account of our myths.

[canteluna]

@44warjunkie i've read some of the koran & had a similar reaction to yours but i've also read secular religious scholars who have broadened my perspective on all religious texts. The bible & koran can only be fully understood by understanding the context in which they were written. i am not a follower of any religion but, like it or not, these texts are part of our heritage. we should appreciate what's good & relevant in them & condemn those who use religious texts as a pretext for violence.

[44warjunkie]

@canteluna percieved current threat? There are thousands of well-off and prosperous Muslims suffering little more than their infatuation with Koranic eschatology, who are eager to murder infidels for God’s sake. Have you or people like Chomsky ever opened a Koran? On almost every page, the Koran instructs observant Muslims to despise non-believers. On almost every page, it prepares the grounds for religious conflict. This Islamic movment wants to revive the Caliphate and not to make concessions.

[canteluna]

@44warjunkie It's never ONLY about history. It's always, in great part, about the current state of affairs. Radical Islam (RI), like any militant radical organization, require contemporary conditions of perceived injustices--usually economic (sure, all the more profound to have an historical context) in order to rally others to their cause. Look at the Nazis. WW2 wasn't only about re-fighting WW1. The Nazis hatred of Jews, like RI's hatred of the West is due to a perceived current threat.

[canteluna]

"Anyone who would attempt to derive the conclusions you [Chomsky] do from the kinds of documents you've been reading simply doesn't understand what it means to formulate policy in a real government." - R Perle

In other words, don't take our documentation seriously or literally, let us (the policy makers) tell you what you should conclude. And don't confuse the truth with the facts & reality before your very eyes. We alone know the truth & will explain it to you if we're forced to do so.

[Ryukikon]

Perle again uses fallacies and deflections. He is trying to set the basis for the debate to go on the grounds of emotion and assumptions, rather than rational, logic and facts. What Perle says is so amazing that you should not take the highest levels of government records seriously for policy especially when it has shown that future events follow the course of those records is a slap to the face of intelligence. Its like not taking a syllabus or the instructions in an exam seriously, etc.

[NiceRoboT08]

What an awesome debate!