Re: The Precautionary Principle

Carolyn Raffensperger at Derrick Jensen.org: http://www.derrickjensen.org/raffen.html
Video about Agenda 21: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7334505193300793132

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[pazomblez]

Derrick Jensen:

"Those creatures who have survived in the long run have survived in the long run; you don't survive in the long run by hyperexploiting your surroundings. You survive in the long run by actually improving your habitat. That's what salmon do. They actually make the forest a better place."

And something else:

"It's not survival of the fittest. It's survival of the fit. It's how well you fit into your habitat."

[AdamHintz]

@pazomblez I really like that second quote. Very Clever.

[0o0Kirby0o0]

we've got to do it ourselves. we already know that mega corporations, governmental agencies, and the U.N. can't be trusted. they have become too preoccupied with control, profits, & globalization. if sustainability ever makes it to the mainstream then i feel its most important that we establish INDEPENDENT councils with no control hierarchy. no leaders, everyone is equal.

[AdamHintz]

word, everone is equal.

[Hockeyjason]

The rise of the ideology of sustainable development is related to modification in various practices, new social situations, and identifiable international economic and technological factors.

Unlike the discourse of the 1970s, which focused on the "limits to growth", the 1980s discourse becomes fixated on the "growth of the limits"

The Brundtland Report is a tale that a disenchanted (modern) world tells itself about its sad condition. :(

[Hockeyjason]

The ultimate danger of accepting the sustainable development discourse is highlighted by.. This point of view says that given the Bruntland Report endorsement of sustainable development, activists can now point out some particular environmental atrocity and say, This is not sustainable development. However, environmentalists are thereby accepting a development framework for discussion.

[Hockeyjason]

Sustainable = what kind of planet do we want? +

Development = What kind of planet can we get?

Whether it is the Earth as a whole, its industrial or agricultural systems, its climate, water, or population, what is at stake for these groups of scientists and businessmen-all of them men--is the continuation of the models of growth and development through appropriate management strategies.

[ItsFilthy]

closing statement is on point!

[dnHooligan]

population is too high for the planet, NATURALLY.

...we can work this out, though, right...

what would happen if we focused on making the planet as efficient as possible?

[dnHooligan]

fkn NICE.

21 is the exact f*cking OPPOsITE of sustainability.

[fckuvrymch]

right on@1:15.

[medicinesocks]

yes, all of that, and stopping the harm too. we have to! or... well, you can imagine. when i was you guy's age i tried to look into the future and see where we were going. green thinking was being concertedly discredited as a political agenda and i feared for the people and the world to come. now, here we are. we need community scale, regional solutions as well as a compassionate world view that stops crushing small people so that bigwigs can luxuriate & the world burns on...