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@RickyMcGinnis Usually when "socialists" say "I think" that equals "everyone should".
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@CartCollector The difference is that it capitalism, no one is forced to work. People choose to work because they know it will benefit them.
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@stalrunner I'm not arguing for Marx. The point is that, since really existing communism and really existing capitalism are both class systems based on wage labor, the apologetics used to defend them are strikingly similar.
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@CartCollector What incentives do people have for inventing new technology?
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@stalrunner I think that comparison works. Marx addressed this in one of his books. As the democratic people's republic grows, the early stages of development will be rough, but once it gets large enough, the proletariat will have no need for their state and they will vote it out of existence. Also, the development of the productive forces will be such that an abundance of goods can be easily produced, removing the need for currency and allowing distribution according to need.
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@CartCollector I don't think that comparison works. Tom Woods addressed this in one of his lectures. As a market for a product grows, the early stages of market development will be rough, but as the market grows, the producers find that they have to bid their wages up against their competitors in order to attract and keep employees. Also, growing markets, coupled with a fixed-rate, commodity-backed currency will see deflationary prices, which means more affordable goods.
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@stalrunner The need for an "unavoidable phase" before the utopia. Look up what the higher and lower stages of communism are. Marx and his followers didn't see what we call communist states as an end goal, but rather something necessary to end capitalism worldwide. Once they had achieved this, the state would "wither away." Of course this never happened. In much the same way, the capitalist dictatorship of the Gilded Age wouldn't have "withered away" without outside intervention.
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@CartCollector What?
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@stalrunner Hey look, it's the excuse for every communist dictatorship ever. How very libertarian of you.
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@CartCollector The conditions suffered during the Gilded Age would have been temporary even without government intervention. That was an unavoidable phase that allowed the transition into our modern industrial economy.
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kill and eat the rich
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BigDaddyDJD 6 months ago
@BigDaddyDJD That's what I do.
InTheEndIWasRight 6 months ago