Ammar Nakshawani's Indirect Curse Against Umar (ra)

Exposing the Taqiyah!

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[bagila]

thanks for admitting the incident of the door

[infamousdesi87]

to it...and Imam Hussains becoming shaheed CANNOT be compared to any one else. He was the family of the prophet (PBUH) and the prophet himself said (this can be found in any book from any Islamic School of teaching) that "Hussain is from me and I am from Hussain" so my brother in Islam do not try to compare the Tragedy of Karbala with any other events. and I agree the companions of the Prophet who were killed in battle protecting Islam were shaheed as well but we cannot compare that to Hussain

[Islam1491]

10. Verily, those who give Bai'a (pledge) to you (O Muhammad ) they are giving Bai'a (pledge) to Allah. The Hand of Allah is over their hands. Then whosoever breaks his pledge, breaks only to his own harm, and whosoever fulfills what he has covenanted with Allah, He will bestow on him a great reward. (surah fath)

HERE ALLAH SAYS TO PROPHET,SAW, THAT SAHABAS, WHO WERE 1400 INCLUDING ABU BAKR, UMAR, USMAN, ALI, ACTUALLY DID BAYT ON ALLAH'S HAND AND SHIANE IBLEES INSULT SAHABAS.

[DefendDeen]

@nking786 Calipah in Sunni Islam and Shia Islam has different definitions. Calipah in Sunni Islam is similar to a president, but the Sunni president runs an Islamic state instead of a secular state. So when Imam Ali (as) gave bayah that bayah did not mean he had to do taqleed. It was a bayah based on unity. If an ruler needs help/advise then the citizen is at his service. If the ruler needs military protection against Abu Sufyan or other forces then the bayah assures protection.

[nking786]

@DefendDeen so if you consider Ghadeer to be greater, why is Imam Ali not your first khalifa? Why would someone who has a greater amount of knowledge give allegiance to someone with a lesser amount? as in, how can a master give allegiance to someone whom he is a master of? did the Prophet not proclaim Imam Ali as his successor at Ghadeer?

[DefendDeen]

@nking786 okay!

[DefendDeen]

@nking786 As for comparison in terms of greatness, I would have to say that the event of Ghadir is greater. The reason is in Ghadir the Prophet (pbuh) told the Muslims that Imam Ali (as) after the Prophet (pbuh) has the greatest knowledge. This is why Maula means master. As for the cave incident it has its merit because any form of company with the Prophet (pbuh) is worth more than everything in the dunya. However, between the two Ghadir is greater.

[nking786]

@DefendDeen You forgot to elaborate on Fadak. I also have a question for you. Which event do you regard to be greater, the event of Ghadeer, or the event of Abu Bakr being in the cave with the prophet? please also give your reasons for your answer.

[nking786]

@DefendDeen I can show you from my own research. You need to recognize that those sites you mentioned above all did their own research and are presenting what they found. Nevertheless, I will give you my own references and will not refer you to any shia sites or books, including the sites mentioned above.

[DefendDeen]

@nking786 okay show me the ahadith from our books where it says Umar (ra) killed Bibi Fatima (as). If you can do this from your own research instead of copying and pasting from answering-anaar, al-islam.org, and other shia site then I will take you seriously.

[DefendDeen]

@nking786 Our accounts suggests that Bibi Fatima (sa) died a natural death. Just like how the Prophet's sons died at young age, likewise we sunni believe the same occurred for Bibi Fatima (sa). As for Imam Ali (as) being forced that is in your books not ours. Also, if you want to go into cursing I will quote an explicit hadith from Shaykh Saduq's book where Imam Musa Al Kazim (as) wished Hisham ibn Hakam to be dead.

[nking786]

@DefendDeen who copy pasted? what are you talking about? providing references is not plagiarism.