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Dr. Desmond Ford speaks in the Campus Hill 7th Day Adventist Church on September 6, 2008. His topic is the Forensic View of the Atonement.

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  • ATTENTION SDA CULT MEMBERS:

    I have asked the following question to SDA Pastors, SDA Scholars, SDA Theologians, SDA Cult members and even approached the EGW Estate, but not a single person has ever wanted to give me a direct and honest answer:

    According to EGW, WHO will get the "Sunday Laws" Mark of the Beast and WHY will they get it, and what must a Christian, who has faith in Jesus to be their Lord and Saviour, DO to avoid getting the Mark of the Beast and to be saved?

    Can anyone answer?

  • @es Gal5:18 If u are led by the Spirit u are not under the Law! What Law was Paul talking about in Gal? The bondwoman the Old Cov = The 10C = The Moral LawThe Law (Old Cov Moral Law) cannot make u love, it cannot change the inner man, it condemns us I would not have known sin but by the law, it just leaves us guilty, in need of a saviour! The Spirit of Life sets us free, it is by this Spirit that we can love, for the SPIRIT CHANGES the inner man and it changes us from glory to glory

  • @e Romans7:1 Law has a hold or dominion while a man lives 2 If 1 dies 1 is released from the Law

    3 Its adultery if 1 joins with another wife (NC) while alive to the other wife (OC

    4 We are dead to the law (OC) IN Christ so that we can belong to another (Being the NC

    5 Law (OC) aroused sinful passions & brought death 6 We have been delivered from the Law (OC) R now dead to what held us.(OC) So we can serve in the Newness of the Spirit(NC) We serve not in the old way of the letter (OC

  • @e Man always tries to do, adding works to try & justify themselves approved of Salvation

    Flesh nature of man struggles with Salvation by Grace alone, so the flesh sets out "doing things" thereby justifying itself worthy of Salvation. The flesh uses the quote "faith without works is dead" to justify "good" works; however this adds nothing 2 Salvation. Works come out of relationship with God; works don’t establish relationship with God Works should not be works of the law but of Love

  • @e (u think Jesus died .. won't be heat on us)

    Ur twisting what I have said

    Why! bc u don't understand

    Ur making Christ a example not a savior If He is just example then ur saying we are saved by our own merits, of perfection

    Ur saying ur perfect in every word, thought, desire, motive every second if not then ur a goner

    News flash, if thats true, then NO 1 will be saved!

    So salvation becomes a matter of grace, by grace we r saved through faith no of yourselves its a gift of God

  • @estherpasi So u think since Christ kept the law perfect that u can 2. good luck!

    So ur of the group of sda's that believe Christ had a sin full nature! So u 2 can keep the law as He did. so then you do no need a savior! Ur salvation depends on ur own righteousness. See that came in to the sda by why of the one time arain belief!

    It's a same that some like u of the sda still hold to this damning doctrine.

    funny how the sda give it-put other church down, but they can not take it

  • @estherpasi (how stupid that sounds)

    Ok name 1 that kept the law? Only 1 = Christ!

    (ur theory is that the 10c was a glimpse of Jesus coming?

    Nope! This is were you do not understand the cross

  • @estherpasi (Your logic promotes self not God)

    See how u a legalist projects things! U all always jump to the law, as to work for ur own salvation! Were I promote Christ! the cross! By keeping ur eye on Him, the believer hates there sins they do not cherish known sin. I promote Christ as my savior, you promote the law saves u by your own merits.

  • @es(u sound like: Jesus kept the law, died for me=No matter what I do I'm saved)

    Nope never said That! Put all trust in Him! Even if I fall He will pick me up. By His merits I am saved

    Distinguish from root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness many things we offend not willing we all stumble

    David is after Gods own heart, why-merciful

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