Tien Shan Pai - All Rivers Red Form

Master Karen Vaughn, leads Darla, Candy, and Joe through All Rivers Red Tien Shan Pai group form at a demonstration in Baltimore, MD circa 1982. For more information on Tien Shan Pai kung fu, please visit www.linkungfu.com.

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[richhewton]

Please name what you think are TSP forms?

[richhewton]

well,,, do you wanna name any forms you think are TSP? Can't name any?

[Dragonkarma]

@Dragonkarma

Mikhabendavid is a liar until HE can name the "Tien Shan Pai " forms. He DID say he heard Huang name them. Like teacher like student.

[n3phlim]

yep that is a great school that is where i go to now that form is Mai Jai Hung

[Dragonkarma]

Tien Shan Pai is a good system to learn. I would suggest Dennis Brown's school or workshops with Willy Lin if possible.

Mr. Lin just posted the true history of TSP on his website. Don't worry about Huang-he is a pimple( in my opinion).

[WasabiFootSore]

I'm learning Tien Shan Pai, is it a good style to learn?

[YIUsed2be]

SGM Wang created this form in Taiwan.

[Mikhahbendavid]

i'm certainly not interested in debating the matter, as it is one of perspectival difference. i am of the school of thought that holds Xingyi to be heavily influenced by Daoist principles in initial composition AND in later development. i am of the school of thought that maintains Dong, Hai-Chuan's position of the antiquity of Bagua AND the Daoist origins, and as well Yang, Lu-Ch'an's position on the Daoist/Wudang origins of the Jiang Fa T'aiji line.

These were regarded as Daoist before Sun.

[Tianshanwarrior]

That ppl call TJQ, XYQ and BGQ as internal styles does not mean they are nor Daoist. You answered yourself, Sun Lu Tang mixed the Daoist philosophy with the above mention systems, but they are not Daoist. Now if you do your research you will find that Neijia was link to MA in the late Ming, but it was not link to Daoism, that came later in the Qing

[Mikhahbendavid]

No one who is of the real Tien Shan Pai lineage has ANYTHING to prove to you. It is far better to simply highlight your ignorance by allowing your admission that YOU cannot identify which forms are Tien Shan Pai. Grandmaster Huang has repeatedly named Tien Shan Pai forms at dozens of seminars i have personally attended.

[Mikhahbendavid]

"Daoist" styles are typically called the "Nei Jia" but this term was really only coined by Sun, Lu-T'ang. There is no clear cut dividing-line distinction between Nei and Wai Jia, but the former generally refers "at least" to T'aijiquan, Baguazhang and Xingyiquan; ALL of which are components of this form (as well as other styles). i'm sorry if this isn't absolutely clear to you from watching the form.

[Tianshanwarrior]

Daoist styles? this form was created at the Central Guoshu Academy from, there is no such thing as Daoist styles. What are those styles in your opinion? TSP is mainly the curriculum WJJ learnt at the Academy. His name does not appear among the famous graduates of the Academy nor any mention of TSP during that period. How do I know this? because I have done extensive research in the topic and I am publishing it soon.