DEMIR DELEN ON THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DEBATE (PART 1 OF 4)

Turks, Armenians, and the battle for historical memory: Demir Delen on Turkey's refusal to accept the verdict of genocide.

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News & Politics

Tags:

• foreign affairs
• turkey
• armenia
• genocide
• reparations
• canada

[delenist]

I dont give a shit about armenians or turks or jews nor all other races and that genocide crab..These are crab!! Get over it. Shit happened already.Now we have to move on,sorry.Look at Iraq or Afghanistan or Africa if you really want to be only a HUMAN!!

[leafs2574]

implied in his words at 2:00 is the notion that there wasnt an armenian or slavic nation of any sort prior to the '14th century'. This leads him into his statement that the europeans were 'meddling' in the affairs of the ottoman empire. this isnt meddling, this is acknowledging the fact that armenians and slavs and greeks had there self determination taken away. the proper way to capture this european 'meddling' is to say that it was trying to restore justice to the region.

[Arzive]

By the way, congratulations. Turkey will be able to keep the money instead of investing on the US to deny the genocide.

[Arzive]

You misunderstood my statement. When I said "As a Jew I will not mingle in the affairs of others with bias." it was a suggested declaration for fkxp to make.

[YoungTurkCanada]

Arzive,

You were saying you are an ARMENIAN in part 3 of 4. Now you are saying you are a JEW.

[Arzive]

Whatever man, if you decide to take a path beyond those two options, then you're arguing with bias. Basically, a third person view on this conversation would be:

"Arzive threw an argument on the table and fkxp could not refute it."

Arzive:1

fkxp:0

And, although the discussion was long, it never reached a point beyond that argument. There are still 1 million Armenians missing.

Either you tell me where those 1 million Armenians went, or you continue to fool yourself, but others aren't fooled.

[Arzive]

I am assuming that you have accepted the Armenian Genocide as a fact since you still have no answer to my question (all Turks who want to try me are welcome to).

If you still don't accept it, you have two options:

1) If I am incapable of refuting an argument for the genocide, this means I do not know enough about it to take sides, and as a Jew I will not mingle in the affairs of others with bias.

2) I will do my research and then will objectively conclude if there was a genocide or not.

[Arzive]

there are idiots in all nations, this is no exception for Armenians, but Turks DID have a mongoloid culture (nomadic, khan, etc.) until they settled in Anatolia and Iran, adopting their culture in the process of becoming sedentary. From my understanding, this is why Armenians call Turks Mongols.

[Arzive]

... you need help. I'm wasting my time.

[Arzive]

the amount of people who dispute the genocide are limited to historians in Turkey, often hired by the state, and few historians outside Turkey, who, again, have had close relationships with Turkey, and in most cases are hired by the state. You won't find a single historian who hasn't had any involvements with Turkish Lira, who denies the genocide, nor a single Armenian who denies the genocide, but you'll find hundreds of highly educated historians (foreign AND turkish) who recognize it.