Atheists are not part of an atheist religion, we're not affiliated with each other. There isn't even really a 'we'; atheists only band together in self-defense against theist misbehavior, and rarely for any other reason.
...maybe drinks at a bar once in a while or something. ;)
people like abby don't hold responsibility for all of the dickishness of Christianity, just like how I don't hold responsibility for some of what Stalin did.
I'm sorry but didn't you say in "Atheist Baggage Claim" that Atheism/Theism was a conflict, indicating there ARE sides and you're either on one side or the other and that, by saying you were an agnostic, you were just trying to get 'out of the fight'? So, according to this video, atheists aren't playing the religion game, but 4 months ago you said that atheism was in a conflict with theism (or at least that's how it came across). I think this is a tad contradictory.
The not-a-Star-Wars-fan analogy doesn't quite work. According to you, it would mean that everything ever done by a Star Wars fan, in the name of Star Wars, would automatically be the responsibility of all other Star Wars fans.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones See, I agree up until your last sentence. They protest because the Vatican DOES represent Catholicism, and they don't like what's being done in their name.
@BionicDance That is why some Catholics protest against the decisions made by the Vatican as well. To them, including me, the Vatican does not represent Catholicism.
@BionicDance I tend to believe individuals, and individuals alone, are responsible for individual actions. A catholic or lutheran or calvinist is, still, an individual whose actions are their own. Not the church's. Religious affiliation is PART of an individual, it is not THE individual.
@Macaii If you have a formal affiliation/connection to a group, if you give them monetary, moral, or political support, you are culpable to a degree; what's done by that church is done in your name, with your tacit support.
Seriously, is it REALLY this difficult to figure out? Really? *raised eyebrow*
@BionicDance So now you add a new limitation: only organized religion? Is that correct? This would mean that Catholics are responsible for what the Vatican does, but not responsible for what the Russian Orthodox Church does, since these are two separate institutions.
@Macaii No, just believing in something is NOT enough to make you part of a group by my understanding. YOU have misunderstood my point with regard to that; please re-evaluate your assessment of my position.
@BionicDance Not all religion is organized. There are plenty of people who just happen to believe that the Bible is the Word of God but don't even go to church or anything of the sort. By your logic, that person is responsible for the actions of Adolf Hitler because Hitler, too, was a Christian. Indeed, believing something does make you part of a group by your understanding.
people like abby don't hold responsibility for all of the dickishness of Christianity, just like how I don't hold responsibility for some of what Stalin did.
TheRepublicOfUngeria 1 month ago
I'm sorry but didn't you say in "Atheist Baggage Claim" that Atheism/Theism was a conflict, indicating there ARE sides and you're either on one side or the other and that, by saying you were an agnostic, you were just trying to get 'out of the fight'? So, according to this video, atheists aren't playing the religion game, but 4 months ago you said that atheism was in a conflict with theism (or at least that's how it came across). I think this is a tad contradictory.
LiamJR24 2 months ago
The not-a-Star-Wars-fan analogy doesn't quite work. According to you, it would mean that everything ever done by a Star Wars fan, in the name of Star Wars, would automatically be the responsibility of all other Star Wars fans.
TalkingWigHead 2 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones See, I agree up until your last sentence. They protest because the Vatican DOES represent Catholicism, and they don't like what's being done in their name.
BionicDance 2 months ago
@BionicDance That is why some Catholics protest against the decisions made by the Vatican as well. To them, including me, the Vatican does not represent Catholicism.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 2 months ago
@BionicDance I tend to believe individuals, and individuals alone, are responsible for individual actions. A catholic or lutheran or calvinist is, still, an individual whose actions are their own. Not the church's. Religious affiliation is PART of an individual, it is not THE individual.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 2 months ago
@Macaii If you have a formal affiliation/connection to a group, if you give them monetary, moral, or political support, you are culpable to a degree; what's done by that church is done in your name, with your tacit support.
Seriously, is it REALLY this difficult to figure out? Really? *raised eyebrow*
BionicDance 2 months ago
@BionicDance So now you add a new limitation: only organized religion? Is that correct? This would mean that Catholics are responsible for what the Vatican does, but not responsible for what the Russian Orthodox Church does, since these are two separate institutions.
Macaii 2 months ago
@Macaii No, just believing in something is NOT enough to make you part of a group by my understanding. YOU have misunderstood my point with regard to that; please re-evaluate your assessment of my position.
BionicDance 2 months ago
@BionicDance Not all religion is organized. There are plenty of people who just happen to believe that the Bible is the Word of God but don't even go to church or anything of the sort. By your logic, that person is responsible for the actions of Adolf Hitler because Hitler, too, was a Christian. Indeed, believing something does make you part of a group by your understanding.
Macaii 2 months ago