Bryan Chapell - What Is Hell?
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Sounds super, Bryan...So he loves me SO much, he sent his only Son (also Him) to redeem us all. But his MAIN rule is that we have to surrender ourselves to him. Thus, God can arbitrarily set up a suffering zone, otherwise, he isn't actually an omni-guy at all. So one isn't a God after all, and one is a God that sounds like a pretty crappy person. Anyone else find the compassion/cruelty paradox thoroughly mediocre?
minpinned 4 months ago
Where is the justice of God in this (Romans 9:22)? If hell is eternal concious torment- does that mean God never satisfies his just wrath? Since Jesus could deal with the sins of the elect without giving an eternal punishment, why can't God deal with the sins of the reprobate without requiring eternal torment? It doesn't add up to me. What about God saying "I shall repay"? If God will eternally torment the reprobate, this means he never gets around to fully repaying!!
psalmblues 5 months ago
Where is the justice of God in this (Romans 9:22)? If hell is eternal concious torment- does that mean God never satisfies his just wrath? Since Jesus could deal with the sins of the elect without giving an eternal punishment, why can't God deal with the sins of the reprobate without requiring eternal torment? It doesn't add up to me. What about God saying "I shall repay"? If God will eternally torment the reprobate, this means he never gets around to fully repaying!! Where's the justice?
psalmblues 5 months ago
"Hell" is a human contrivance invented for the purpose of imposing fear and control on children and vulnerable adults.
Those who need and therefore believe in eternity use the concept of heaven/hell to force moral behaviour on themselves.
But morality and human decency are not derived from religion. They precede it.
Peace on earth to all my readers! That's what we got, that's all we need!
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@tmarsh0307 Calvinism is the most ass backward heresy in the history of Christianity; I sense the Arminians out there have had about enough of them.
RPenta 7 months ago
lolol
TyTyMcBerg 8 months ago
I find this response dishonest. Chappell is a Calvinist. Calvinism teaches that those who are in hell are there because God wants them there - they are non-elect. Calvinism teaches that those who "do not want God" cannot want God until God awakens in their mind the ability to respond to God and want God.
tmarsh0307 9 months ago
I find this response dishonest. Chappell is a Calvinist. Calvinism teaches that those who are in hell are there because God wants them there - they are non-elect. Calvinism teaches that those who "do not want God" cannot want God until God awakens in their mind the ability to respond to God and want God.
tmarsh0307 9 months ago
@1bheckman
Vicarious redemption is the most disgusting idea ever presented.
Think about what that would mean.
A man goes out Rapes 10,000 Women, molests 50,000 Children, Kills 100,000 People then says Jesus Forgive me and Poof magically everything he did is wiped away!
There is No accountability!
No Personal Responcibility!
No Justice!
While the Atheist can be helpping others, serving in the military to protect freedom but not buying into the God notion or Jesus and they diserve Torture?
MrGoodNKinky 10 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky
What's with this character limit thing? When did that happen?
Anyway, I understand that "Christians" do horrible things in God's name. However, I would strongly argue against anyone who claimed that Christians should be perfect. I would also argue against any Christian who believes that we are bound by things such as the ten commandments or the moral law in the old testament. Here is the good news. Jesus died for all sin past and future. That is freedom.
1bheckman 10 months ago