Endogenous Retroviral Functionality: 2nd argument refuted

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Argument #2 ERVs are functional:
http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2007/07/ervs-are-functional.html

(This video is the second in a series.)

Index of claims against ERVs:
http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2007/07/index-to-common-creationist-...



Example of Creationist ignorance:
http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2007/03/id-vs-ervs-part-four-erv-on-...

Co-opted gag proteins:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TCY-4KXDW93-5&...

HERVs:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=PubMed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&...

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• endogenous
• retrovirus
• functional
• junk
• non-coding
• DNA
• evolution
• HIV
• AIDS
• cancer
• genetics
• common
• ancestry
• gag
• proteins

[evoTARDSareINSANE]

Such ignorance its mind boggling

The ERV argument has been refuted by numerous Biologists (Dr Jonanthan Wells for example)

Evolutionism = straw man after straw man argument

[SecularAstronomer]

@evoTARDSareINSANE

Really? Because I’ve seen a lot of counter arguments, and none of them held up to scrutiny. What lines of argumentation does Mr. Wells use? Perhaps you could read the page I wrote on the ERV evidence for common ancestry and point out the flaws (pay special attention to the “Common creationist responses” section):

evolutionarymodel(DOT)com/ervs­(DOT)htm

[DarkEmergence]

It's so strange that creationists will explain away so much evidence, but apparently "everything looks like it was designed" is evidence enough for creationism. I honestly can't get a single shred of scientific evidence in favor of creationism from ANYONE who supports creationism. And I've asked people who claimed to have studied both sides.

[LaingGod]

LOL most animals and even plants have a 24 hour biological clock. yet another fail.

[CodeSculptor]

@CammieSpectrum, sorry. it's hard to fit much in 500 characters. :)

[CammieSpectrum]

@CodeSculptor in your entire description you entirelly left out Function; The Teleological Complexity of all these proccesses, meaning their are an extrordinary amount of details about a Ribosomal Enzyme & It's ATP Motor, that need to be the case and not otherwise, just so that  it has the neccessary features to do It's job in the cell; in addition to everything else doing it's job simultaneouslly, and getting where they need to go, at the right times; It's more complex than a busy supermarket

[CodeSculptor]

@CammieSpectrum, layers of wax... it hardens, but certain exposed bits on the inside or top are shaped so they get mushy and rust, attracting chunks of molecules like window-handles, which attract more window handles.

After a while, the nearby bits of wax in the center leak forward, helped by ATP-cofilin forming the car antenna.

The order is determined by expression of proteins - which does go wrong, on ocassion, like birth defects -- but many proteins are functional online around coregulator

[CodeSculptor]

@CammieSpectrum, wonderful question.

It's not an electric law -- it's the expression of proteins from the genes that determine or control this.

It's all in the timing, and shape and charges. First, you have monomers binding ("self-associating") to form shapes-ish.Then there's a hydrolysis and a destabilization which leads to the production of a catalyst which causes nearby molcules to start binding at/near the right positions. So you have something like the chassis of a car being formed by

[CammieSpectrum]

@CodeSculptor How do ATP Motors assemble from already folded proteins, and then affix themselves to, for example, a ribosomal enzyme; How did the ribosomal enzyme assemble itself from already folded proteins. where are the instructions? this is not a matter of the components evolving, but how are they put together by virtue of primarilly the electric law bringing them together at all, and not not in any other way? Again, their could be no evolutionary or chemical basis for this.