Freedom FROM wage slavery: positive and/or negative liberty?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

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Education

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• wage
• slavery
• capitalism
• anarchism
• positive
• negative
• liberty

[jebustheone]

Clearly "freedom from wage slavery" is a positive liberty. If someone takes away my negative right to work for who I want and for the amount that we mutually agree through contracts, they are taking away my negative liberty to allow me to be 'free' from wage slavery.

Lets not forget, wage slavery is mostly a myth. If you don't produce wealth, you are a freeloader/parasite. Earn your keep.

[mr1001nights]

@jebustheone

When you undermine my ability to pursue self-management, you violate my freedom.

Private ownership of property not intended for active personal use creates exploitation and prevents workers' self-management.

[brainpolice2]

1. Wage slavery only exists to the extent that the alternates to it are coercively/legally prohibited or disincentivized.

2. You keep approaching me as if I'm proposing exclusive or individual forms of property as a unifying system, when I'm not. It's only one option.

3. I reject your scenario as an unlikely lifeboat scenario and you are using it as a straw man. You're giving ME a false set of choices here, a false dichotomy.

4. Again, it's an emotional appeal based on a hypothetical.

[graaaaaagh]

The difference is, I don't misrepresent the arguments of those who disagree with me.

[SUpersaiyajinjerkbag]

@MarxBakuninMe

xplain iw ould like yo hear your thought on makin distinction between positive and negative freedom

[CytherLynx]

conflating freedom with equality.

plus you look especially freaky, and the patronising tone of voice only makes it worse.

[dubified89]

What BP was probably thinking is that while your example might be true that it's right to coerce one person to hit the button, a system based around that unrealistic example will result in more tyranny than one that abides strictly by negative rights. That the need to coerce people in order to save others will organically subside. Not sure that I agree but I think that's the gist of it

[briano8713]

@DANxCHORIN

Many would say that "mutualist free market" IS a free market, IS laissez-faire, contrary to the BS state-capitalists happen to be pushing. The social aspect of mutualism is an (educated) prediction.

Powermetal sucks btw. =D

[seigneurvoland666]

ya ya ya, i can relate to what you said. POwer metal sucks though, for the most part

[jonnniefivemiles]

You are debasing the word freedom.

[MarxBakuninMe]

Personally, I think that the distinction between "negative" and "positive" freedom is bullshit.

[joesub007]

The disappearance of the state is way too idealistic. If an opening for cheating/lying/stealing is presented then are people in their entirety be able to be "good" and refrain from taking advantage of that opening? People will always have their selfish individualistic side and you can't rid of that nor would you really want to unless you turn everybody into "perfect" robots. The police will always be needed to support the health and safety inspectors if they are to be taken seriously.