This video is for all the special people who can't seem to understand what actually happened during the Vietnam War. It is specifically in regards to the role Canada played with its troops.
I especially made this for Ann Coulter, Bill O' Riley and Fox News fanatics although I admit that this is quite illogical as facts and logic is philosophically inverse to their religion of idiocy.
Please don't hesitate to leave your fallacious arguments, illogical standpoints, and erroneous information below in the comments section for all those who have never seen an insane viewpoint and debate style in action.
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To debate whether Ann Coulter's comments were correct we first have to understand what her claim was. She said, and I quote;
"We were on Hannity and Colmes discussing the Anti War Protesters. Canada used to be one of our most loyal friends and vice versa, I mean Canada sent troops to Vietnam, was Vietnam less containable and more of a threat than Saddam Hussein?"
Now obviously Ann is using a "compare and contrast" method. She's attempting to compare the two wars while contrasting, what she sees as, Canada's difference in stance regarding the support of those wars.
The problem is not in her comparison of the two wars but rather in her contrasting of Canada's position then, and now. There is no evidence that Canada's position on the Vietnam War was inverse to their position on the Iraq War.
The evidence, used to support the claim, that Canada supported the US in it's War in Vietnam, especially regarding the use of troops, is used in a fallacious manner and is easily proven as such as referenced in the video.
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Ann also went on C-Span's Washington Journal on February 18th 2005, where she admits, and then after much verbal stumbling, dismisses, that she was wrong.
At the 35 minute mark of the interview they discuss whether she was wrong regarding Canada sending troops to Vietnam. Watch how anxiously she attacks the pen in her hand and how much she stutters, as she is forced to admit she was wrong, and then attempts to qualify her wrongness with asinine points.
Brian Lamb: "You were back and forth and you said that the Canadians had troops in Vietnam, and he said, no they didn't. Did you find out the real answer?"
Ann Coulter: "Yes 10,000 Canadian troops, at least, there's a war memorial to them. At least for most of that, the Canadian Government didn't send troops at the beginning, didn't send troops at the end, but for most of that it was not under the Canadian Flag. They came and fought with the Americans, so I was wrong, it turns out there were 10,000 Americans who happened to be born in Canada. Mhmmmhmmmhmhmhmmm *Here is my, I'm totally wrong and trying to act confident, laugh*
She then goes on to rant on how she was actually right and he was still wrong somehow...
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YAY for Links;
The not so infamous video of Ann admitting she was wrong.
They start to speak about it at the 35 minute mark.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/185523-2
Operation GALLANT
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/od-bdo/di-ri-eng.asp?IntlOpId=65&...
Operation WESTPLOY
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/od-bdo/di-ri-eng.asp?IntlOpId=65&...
(ICSC), (ICSC) Laos 1, (ICSC) Laos 2,
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/od-bdo/di-ri-eng.asp?IntlOpId=341&...
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/od-bdo/di-ri-eng.asp?IntlOpId=67&...
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/od-bdo/di-ri-eng.asp?IntlOpId=68&...
Medals
International Commission for Supervision and Control Indo-China (ICSC)
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhr-ddhr/chc-tdh/chart-tableau-eng.asp?ref=IC...
And
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/cmdp/mainmenu/group06/icmic
International Commission of Control and Supervision Vietnam (ICCS)
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhr-ddhr/chc-tdh/chart-tableau-eng.asp?ref=IC...
And
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/cmdp/mainmenu/group06/icmvn
Example of a medal Canada gives out for pretty much anything
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhr-ddhr/chc-tdh/chart-tableau-eng.asp?ref=OS...
North Wall - Which doesn't have the ICSC and ICCS dead on it btw, lol.
http://www.canadianvietnamveterans.ca/TheNorthWall.html
and
http://barneykin.com/northwall/
Agent Orange
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmira,_Ontario
Here is a great example of what an Ann Coulter follower sounds like...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQQE_1i07Q
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPFvqUUEAPk
Amazing.
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The View - Ann Coulter (6-08-11)by jaynorris11782,695 views
@MsAlchemist2012
Thanks. I got sick of the rampant idiocy regarding this topic and decided it needed to be vetted once and for all.
Theobrothers 1 month ago
@EasyEs
I never said you did?
This video and it's corresponding comments section are of historical relevance ONLY insomuch that they counter the claims Ann Coulter made and the defences her idiot acolytes use.
As for the covert acts, again, unless you can provide proof, it isn't something we can discuss, and thus becomes a labor of theory. I of course agree this may be the case, but it really isn't relevant here as "what governments do behind closed doors" is not what is being discussed.
Theobrothers 2 months ago
@Theobrothers What makes you think I was trying to bolster Ann or what ever she meant to say? The truth (as I can find atm) of the matter is far more complicated but consistant with what governments do. I doubt that the DND at the time was concerned with legal matters, there were already rules, procedures and prescidents set for that type of thing. The military culture of the CAF at the time was at odds with the anti war sentiment of much of the nation so they would have covered their asses.
EasyEs 2 months ago
@EasyEs
Hey, that's cool that you can claim something and then add words and stuff, but not require yourself to source anything. Unfortunately, many of us who are honest require sourcing.
Anyway, that wasn't Ann's argument, what countries do in secret against the desires of their population is hardly evidence of that populations support or the "official stance" of said government. If shown to be true during that time, the politicians involved would have been in serious legal trouble.
Theobrothers 2 months ago
@Theobrothers 1. Yes they did, it was a wink nod type deal for military exchanges of the type that still go on today. A way to appear to be against the war and for it. I knew a man from NFLD who was involved in that capacity. It was encouraged by the officers at the time and facilitated by the DND. If you wanted to go the DND made sure you did and you would see combat. A bit like Jean Chrétien opposed the war in public but deployed the Iroquois to the persian gulf.
EasyEs 2 months ago
@sooperfukker
That's cool.
I like how you stated, "I can't debate the facts", while still claiming yourself as right. I'm paraphrasing of course as your statement was much more long winded and nonsensical. You have learned well from the Fox school of regressive thought.
Anyhoo, good luck with that form of argumentation. It doesn't work for me but I'm sure among your pals you are considered "the smart one" and looked towards with much reverence.
Theobrothers 2 months ago
@Theobrothers I don't play by the rules which you're trying to manipulate. You're putting words into her mouth to change the meaning of what she said - That won't fly with me, I stick to what she actually said and don't smuggle in what I like to have heard.
The rest is common knowledge, no need for citation. If you insist, you'll surely get the details from what suits you most - wikipedia.
sooperfukker 2 months ago
@sooperfukker
Again, read the comments section before your next response. If you can't argue the premise of this debate then you certainly can't claim victory in your assessment.
Last time I checked selling goods != supporting somebodies war effort.
Again, she never claimed we sent troops as a Neutral Peace observing delegation. Had she, we wouldn't be having this debate.
Funny how you didn't address, with facts, ANY of your claims that you listed so arrogantly.
Still waiting LoL, weak.
Theobrothers 2 months ago
@Theobrothers Wiggle and weasle as much as you like.
When she said the Canada was a main ally in the vietnam war - 100% correct, it was THE ally in the war.
When she said that Canada sent troops to Vietnam - 100% correct. Inofficially and officially. Doesn't matter if you like what they did there, fact remains: they were there.
You lose - Coulter wins. End of argument, you little leftwing pig.
sooperfukker 2 months ago
@sooperfukker
1. Canada let? Knowingly? Encouraging? Hahahaa, Mind citing the proof that our government knew or encouraged it?
2. Peace, not war. Coulter was arguing that we sent troops to support the US as allies. Enforcing Peace treaties under the Geneva convention and UN mandates isn't in line with her claims.
3. Cite it please?
4 and 5. Wait, are those troops?
Did you even read the comments section? LOL OH well, what can you expect from a Coulter supporting Fox watching fan.
Theobrothers 2 months ago