Habermas vs Foucault - Is Modernity an Incomplete Project?

How come there are so many Aussie pseudo intellecturals rabbiting on about Habermas here on youtube?

this guy is a total dick.. fuck Foucault and plato. yeah right on dickhead.

OoOoOoOoOohhh, you swore at Habermas. How very rebelious.

Love Foucault, but not sure that his ethics takes us beyond care of the self - a neat aesthetic project, but not a normative one.

Foucault was not simply rejecting the Enlightenment - that's an over-simplification.  He was endorsing the "attitude" of the Enlightenment, as expressed by Kant, without endorsing any "faithfulness to doctrinal elements" of the Enlightenment.

It is helpful here to read Moses Mendelssohn's "What is Enlightenment?" It would be over-statement to say that Foucault endorses Kant's view of Enlightenment and rejects Mendelssohn's. But clearly Foucault tells us that there is a "thread" that connects Kant's "Aufklarung" with himself. Foucault endorses the "attitude" of Enlightenment, without endorsing any kind of "faithfulness to doctrinal elements" of the Enlightenment.

Denito,

I am inclined to agree with you about Habermas mainly because of his hanging on to the dream of the enlightenment of disengaged reason and objectivity. But do you also deny the possibility of progressing in enquiry through other means? Say engaged reason or objectivity, drawing on some hermeneutic conception of practical reason?

you and your gurus......free thinkers are what count and free thinkers are what trascend...the rest is a political war of submission...this guy submitted himself to gurus...fetichized images of men who dream of possessing the truth...
Prepare for the future my friend....climate crisis wuill lead to social crisis, and together will lead to see whom the imposers of truth are.....

WOW! I've never wanted to slap someone so bad
1. The mass media-Look at the context you ass! He is talking about the "structural transformation of the public sphere." He laments the fact that contemporary mass media is not up to the task.
2. Habermas wants us to stop trying-WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? he is too optimistic and too much of an idealist if anything. He believes in human rationality so much that he expects us to use it to overcome the distortions to achieve the "ideal speech situation."

sure. why not?