DEBATE: Isaiah 53:11, How Can God Be "Satisfied" If Most People Are Going to Hell?

Larry Wessels, director of Christian Answers/Christian Debater (YouTube channel: CANSWERSTV, websites: BIBLEQUERY.ORG, HISTORYCART.COM & MUSLIMHOPE.COM) debates Steve McCalip, author & producer of "KingJamesVideoMan," on the subject of WHO did Jesus die for. Bob L. Ross, leading publisher of Charles Haddon Spurgeon (please check official website: PILGRIMPUBLICATIONS.COM), is the moderator. Educational backgrounds of debaters: Wessels- Bachelor of Science in Advertising from the University of Texas at Austin, completed extension course taught by Dr. J.I. Packer of Regent College, Vancouver, Canada, studied virtually every book or tape produced by Walter Martin of the Christian Research Institute & Dr. R.C. Sproul of Ligonier Ministries, worked with Pilgrim Publications (C.H. Spurgeon) since 1990, attended Dayspring Fellowship of Austin, Texas (Pastor Jackson Boyett, www.dayspringchapel.org) since 1982. McCalip- Bachelor's degree from Baylor University, 2 Master's Degrees in Education from the University of Houston. Theological background: Wessels- Classical Protestant Reformed Doctine, Affirms the Trinity (Father , Son & Holy Spirit), McCalip- Arminian Doctrine, Denial of the Trinity, Affirms King James Bible only. A popular book out is entitled "History's Greatest Lies;" although this book doesn't mention the following it should have: Darwin's Evolution Theory, Global Warming, Muhammad was a prophet of God, the only true "church" is headed by a Roman Pope, etc. Another "greatest lie" would be to say Jesus died for people He did not indeed die for. There are only 3 possibilities: 1. Christ died to save all men therefore all are saved 2. Christ died to save no one in particular (men then must save themselves) or 3. Christ died to save a certain number (who God then actively saves) from eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire. This debate has been going on for centuries & in recent times has had more notoriety because of a book written by Dave Hunt of "The Berean Call" entitled, "What Love Is This?," which makes many of the same emotional Arminian arguments as Steve McCalip in this debate. Multnomah Publishers also produced a book entitled "Debating Calvinism" between Hunt & James R. White of Alpha & Omega Ministries. Ergun Caner of Islam fame has also taken issue with "The Five Points of Calvinism," namely: 1. Total Depravity, 2. Unconditional Election, 3. Limited Atonement, 4. Irresistible Grace, & 5. Perseverance of the Saints. The real question, ""Is God sovereign over man or is man's free will sovereign over God & His purposes?" Who is REALLY in control?

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[fudgedogbannana]

Boys boys cant we all just get along, Wrong! I like to see a good fight. In the sower and the soil parable not all the seed fell on good soil and flourished, some didnt stand a chance. I'm thumping my way around the bible and I cant seem to find where it says" Many are called and few are chosen". I know it doesnt say every one called and every one chosen, doesnt even say many are chosen, only few are chosen. Lets hope He changes His mind and admits we poor slobs

[CAnswersTV]

@fudgedogbannana Of course we know that God does not change (Malachi 3:6) & that the elect are already predestined for glory BEFORE they are ever born (Romans 9:10-22, Eph 1:1-11, etc). Thus God will bring about the salvation of sinners in their lifetimes (some are saved in real time at a young age in life, others in the middle & others when they are old - Matthew 20:1-16). Men that deny God's sovereign power in the salvation of sinners always try to replace it with "works" they can do instead.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris I am not DISRESPECTING your faith in God but your UNBIBLICAL HERESIES that accompany your faith. I never read Calvin to bring up all the scriptures I've related, just the Bible. You're the one who is DISRESPECTING the clear teaching of the word of God. You think men can save themselves because God gave them a "chance" but that's total nonsense. God CHOOSES who is saved (Romans 9) not men because it is "impossible" with them (Mark 10:27). Listen to the entire 4 hour debate & learn.

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV If you are clearly going to disrespect my faith in God, then we'd better drop this conversation right now. You claim that I am using a form of "arminian tradition", yet you're clearly using the teachings of the French Reformer John Calvin. Who are you to judge me? You condemn yourself in your own judgments. And God is the witness of that.

This conversation's done. I've said what I've spoken as the truth. Jesus died to give the chance, but only some will take it, thus, (CHOSEN).

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV You do have a very, valid point. Jesus preached in parables so that many could not unravel the mystery of God. Therefore, to the ones that could not understand, they were not granted the Kingdom.

What I am trying to get across to you is that I use examples of explaining the scripture, while giving hope. But I've noticed that you've spoken of inevitability. The Word of God is truth. I see what you mean. But remember that it is by God's grace that anyone is saved, not everyone.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris I noticed that you did not answer the Biblical questions put forward to you: why did Jesus preach in parables if he wants "all" to be saved (Mark 4:11-12), did Jesus "die" for Pharoah mentioned in Exodus, etc.? I'm not interested in your nonBiblical opinions. You make all these claims about Jesus dying to give everybody a "chance" (what about Cain in the book of Genesis?) but it's obvious that your mind is so conditioned by Arminian tradition you can't see what the Bible teaches.

[vennchris]

@CAnswersTV You can call it arminian heresy all you like., I don't feel sin, nor conviction of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, there is no sin in this, as Paul stated. God calls it "preaching the truth of God and of the Kingdom". And Jesus would say the same thing.

He died for many (meaning "all"), but only some shall be saved. That is the truth that I believe and I will not be moved from it. I hope we have an understanding.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris I can let this comment ride since you have left out much of your Arminian heresy here unlike your other comments.

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris Wrong again. If Jesus wanted everyone to be saved then why did he spend so much time preaching in parables (Mark 4: 11-12)? Why did he run off so many people time & time again when they were trying to follow him (John 6, for instance)? God certainly takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked but at the same time He has made them for the purpose of destruction (Romans 9:22) just like Pharoah (Rom 9:17, God even hardened Pharoah's heart to oppose Moses (read Exodus), get it?

[CAnswersTV]

@vennchris You are certainly incorrect on this point. This was answered again & again during this four hour debate. Jesus only came to die for His elect, not the those unchosen by the Father (read John chapter 6 & 2 Tim 2:24-26). Just as the Israelites were the only ones chosen on the face of the earth by God (Deuteronomy 7), so the true believers in Jesus are chosen by God (John 1:12-13, not by the will of man or the flesh). I notice you argue without quoting much scripture to make your case.