Noam Chomsky - The Relevance of Anarcho-syndicalism, Part 1

An interview by Peter Jay (25th July 1976). Transcript: http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19760725.htm

Having a bit of trouble with Windows Movie Makers at the moment, but I'll try and get the other parts up asap.

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[typenamehere19]

@Samsgarden You confuse private property with personal property. Private property is property you can't use by yourself, like a factory. Personal property is property for personal use i.e. the fruits of your labor, like your television. Owning a factory and exploiting the work of other people doesn't benefit society, it benefits you at everyone else's expense. There is such a thing as market socialism, which you might like. And there is no such thing as "socialist-corporate America".

[typenamehere19]

@PositivelyBored Learn a little about Marxism before talking about it. Socialism is a transitionary stage between Capitalism and Communism, as described by Marx and Engels. And yes, they (and many others) did describe in detail the vision for a future Communist society. Communism was described as a stateless, moneyless, classless society in which the means of production are owned, managed, and operated by the workers. From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.

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@typenamehere19

Since anarchism means without rule, free association...let's start there and work out, locally, how people want to treat personal or property, or even how to achieve complete freedom from hierarchical arrangements. Communism was not and end, but a means of socialism as written by Marx and Engel, and to my knowledge they did not specify what a communist society would be like. However, it did suggest revolution! and most Anarchists reject aggression!

[typenamehere19]

@PositivelyBored The state funding private industry is about as contrary to socialism as you can get. The state helping out their rich friends at the top of these totalitarian corporate undemocratic hierarchies is a prime example of Neoliberalism, far away from any kind of socialism. And when I say "Anarchism" I mean genuine Anarchism, none of that "anarcho- capitalism" (a contradiction if I've ever heard one), individualist, etc. bs. For all I care Benjamin Tucker can do flips in his grave.

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@typenamehere19

Benjamin Tucker is rolling in his grave after this one! Not sure I agree!

"Communism is the ultimate goal of Anarchism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Marxism, etc. they just vary slightly on exactly how and what action should be be taken to achieve it."

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@Samsgarden

The "Nordic Model" would be a typical European Socialist Democracy, aka Democratic Socialism. Not dissimilar to where the U.S. is headed.

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@typenamehere19

How can you say there is no socialist corporate America with a straight face?

Corporations are state-created entities. Without the state, the corporation cannot exist. The state consistently props up the corporation and guides economies whether those decisions are helpful or harmful. When the state guides economies and picks winners and losers, to one degree or another, it is Democratic socialism.

[DesecrateConformity]

@SuperBspb Well, it's inevitable. The collapse of the political and economic structure's we're used to has already commenced. They will eventually lose all of their significance. It's simply inevitable. All societies collapse, it's an inevitability. There should be no concern as to whether they will give up their power or not. It's a nonlinear cycle, society begins, society prospers, society becomes unstable, society collapses. It's natural.

[SuperBspb]

@DesecrateConformity I understand that anarcho-libertarian socialism would work. But I see no way of getting to it. I doubt the corporations and politicians would give up their power.

[DesecrateConformity]

@SuperBspb That's because the state is involved. That's not the kind of socialism that I advocate for. That's really more along the lines of state capitalism than anything else. Read the links in my socialism outside of Marxism-Leninism video.