America's Wars in the Muslim World

Speakers: Dr Alia Brahimi, Professor Fawaz Gerges, Nir Rosen
Chair: Professor Mary Kaldor
This event was recorded on 26 January 2011 in Sheikh Zayed Theatre, New Academic Building
This event celebrates the publication of Aftermath by Nir Rosen and Jihad and Just War in the War on Terror by Alia Brahimi. While Rosen chronicles the devastating consequences on the ground, Brahimi explores the problematic ideology driving the leaders above. Alia Brahimi is a research fellow at LSE Global Governance and a senior research associate of the Changing Character of War programme at the University of Oxford. Fawaz Gerges is the director of the Middle East Centre at LSE. Nir Rosen is a freelance.

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[bnpbnptgtr]

the religion of animals = islam

[Hkhan23]

It is not America's War's, it is the New world Order's War, the Illuminati's War. The international child molesting Bankers' Wars' . PERIOD.

[UltimateDarkloid]

@IRightYouWrong Cont.

Us Algerians were ignored until we terrorized the French out of our country. Likewise, Palestinians have been ignored, and so they have spoken. What Hamas does is no comparison to what Israel does. Israel killed more children on the first day of Cast Lead than Israelis killed by Hamas in months if not years.

I don't care what your reasons are, pushing democracy does not mean supporting dictatorships like KSA and Egypt, and calling them "moderate Arabs". Yeesh.

[UltimateDarkloid]

@IRightYouWrong I'm sure that's what America was overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America and Iran, and why it supported the Saudi occupation of Bahrain.

I'm also sure democracy means supporting Mubarak until he loses control, then turn on him.

Hamas is armed resistance. Don't play the kill Jews card, because destruction of a political entity, and genocide of a population, are two completely different things.

Us Algerians were ignored until we terrorized the French out of our

[sadeek469]

@IRightYouWrong yes you are right Democracy should be like in pakistan where USA supported all The militray Dictators for 34 years of 64 years pakistan history. and also The true Democracy is only if USA approved it .

Down with USA. Democracy is nothing but a way to put ur puppets in middle east.

[UltimateDarkloid]

@IRightYouWrong Yes, in a nutshell it's internal politics and money.

I don't believe America wants democracy in the Middle East - FIS, Ennahda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, AKP are all Islamist parties that go against American interests - chiefly money and internal politics, as you said. Democracy has shown that this is what the Middle Eastern masses want: they don't want to be forced to ally themselves with America, they want real independence. That's why we're kept under dictators.

[UltimateDarkloid]

@IRightYouWrong But the Jihad was against Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, etc. Basically against our enemies in the region. Al Qaeda only attacks America because it sponsors those regimes. France was sending police officers to the Tunisian regime. Egyptian protesters waved "Made in America" gas cans at cameras. Britain was selling weapons to Bahrain during these protests.

Saudi Arabia FINANCES (or financed) the Taliban to begin with. The Afghans never asked for any of this.

[UltimateDarkloid]

@IRightYouWrong Okay, I've just read it. So in a nutshell, it IS about the money - since the article keeps going on about economic defects of a change in power balance.

Basically we have no right to be strong - only America has.

Now tell me that's justified.

[UltimateDarkloid]

@IRightYouWrong Fine, I will but as a Muslim living in Dubai, I'll never be able to see Afghanistan and Iraq as self-defense. A thousand ways other than war could have been used for Osama Bin Laden. And Iraq was already decaying; it would likely have gone down the same way Libya and Syria are today. Don't forget, Iraq is surrounded by enemies all around (unless it miraculously struck last minute alliances and reconciliations).

[UltimateDarkloid]

@IRightYouWrong I'm more concerned about the Kurds than anyone else.

And yet America supported Iraq during his war on Iran.

Look, double standards are in play - you cannot deny that. And even if you're right, two rights don't make a wrong. Afghans and Iraqis didn't want anything to do with this. They paid the price for something they didn't even do.

No matter how you look at it, defending those wars is despicable.