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IS CARDINAL CASTRILLION HOYES IN SCHISM?
The super fast changes in the Catholic Church over the last few months makes one ask if Cardinal Cstrillion Hoyes, Prefect, Ecclesia Dei, Vatican, is in schism for saying that Jews need to convert for salvation.
In an interview with the Catholic Herald, England, he said that if Jesus said that Jews need to convert for salvation, then who are we to say otherwise.
This is the same position as the Society of St. Pius X. (SSPX).
Cardinal Hoyes told the Corriere della Serra newspaper that the SSPX are in communion with the Church, full communion will come. After the Bishop Richard Williamson campaign and the Jewish Anti Defamation League(ADL) conditions for accepting the SSPX in the Catholic Church, the Cardinal told Zenit News that the SSPX is in schism.
But the SSPX has the same religious position as Cardinal Hoyes.
They both agree that Vatican Council II was a historical reality. They both reject Vatican Council II as interpreted by the ADL and the Jewish Left media. They both accept Vatican Council II as continuity with Sacred Tradition (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14).
Vatican Council II Ad Gentes 7 says all people need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. Jews. Protestants.
Lumen Gentium 14 is the ordinary means of salvation. Lumen Gentium 16 is the extraordinary means of salvation known only to God.
The Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI in his Letter to all the Catholic bishops after the lifting of the excommunication of the SSPX bishops said Vatican Council II must be interpreted as continuity with Sacred Tradition.
Cardinal Hoyes is theologically in accord with Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. So is the SSPX, if Vatican Council II is a continuity of Sacred Tradition. Theologically the SSPX has made no shift in its position. They are in accord with Sacred Tradition.
Schism is a theological and not a political issue. Theologically the SSPX cannot be faulted.

So if Vatican Council II I interpreted as continuity with Sacred Tradition then the SSPX and Cardinal Castrillion Hoyes are in accord with Vatican Council II. So how can they be in schism?

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• Ad Gentes 7

[ChristainPatriot01]

I sincerely doubt the SSPX belives Vatican II to be the continuence of tradition. We already would know if he was in schisem.

[LionelAndrades]

ChristainPatriot01 :I sincerely doubt the SSPX belives Vatican II

Neither is the SSPX or Cardinal Hoyes in schism.

It was reported a few days back in Avvenire, the newspaper of the Catholic Bishops in Italy, that the SSPX negotiations would continued with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.After the excommunication was lifted the SSPX were no longer in schism.

The SSPX members have the same faculties as all Catholics however their clergy have no official canonical status.

[SaintGeorge1000]

They are NOT in schism and never really have been in schism. It is thanks to them that the traditions and the true liturgy of the Church have been preserved.

[LionelAndrades]

Saintgeorge1000: They are NOT in schism...

They are in accord with Sacred Tradition and Vatican Council just like St. Maximillan Kolbe and many saints who are not in schism.

Cardinal Kaspar writing in the L'Osservatore Romano 10th April 2008 said Jews do not have to convert. He cites Lumen Gentium 16 as the ordinary means of salvation.

This is a rejection of Vatican Council II.

It is a rejection of Ad Gentes 7 which says all people need to enter the Catholic Church.

Is he in schism?

[dacatholicbandorgan]

True, if it was not for them the Extraordinary from would probably cease to exsist in the church today. Still they are in schisem, but not for much longer.

[gtepp031387]

@pizzelle4u I am very glad that we have the traditional Latin mass, it was always used in Rome. However be wary of the SSPX they are on the very edge of schism. Remeber wether you fall off the left or the right side of the boat you are still in the water.

[LionelAndrades]

@angelpacheco59 If the SSPX follows Tradition, why ...

It could be difficult for them when the Pope says Jews do not have to convert in the present times and he does not affirm an ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino which is in accord with Vatican Council II, Ad gentes 7, CCC 845,846, Dominus Iesus 20 etc.

[Jitpring]

People, if you want to know what the SSPX holds, go to their webpage. And if you click on the Apologetic Materials on the left side, you can get the New to Tradition Kit for free. It's really free: no shipping charges, no donation.

[pizzelle4u]

More liberal propaganda....HURRAH FOR THE SSPX!!!! THANK YOU HOLY FATHER POPE BENEDICT FOR GIVING US BACK OUR TRADITONAL LATIN MASS WHICH AS HE KNOWS WAS STOLEN FROM US!!

[dacatholicbandorgan]

Pardon me, that comment was from me, I was logged on to the wrong user.