Charlie McCreevy on the Lisbon Treaty

"I think that it is a wake-up call for all of the democratic governments of Europe that what they are possibly pursuing in a number of areas is not in line with the wishes of their own peoples and that should be borne in mind by us all." Charlie McCreevy on the rejection of the Nice Treaty in 2001

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[macker33]

I doubt if any fishermen will be voting yes.

If we vote yes the same fate will befall ireland that has befallen the fishing industry,if we vote no what will happen?well a few EU ministers have said there will be a price to pay,probably same fate will befall ireland that has befallen the fishing industry

[agfigueroaa]

The undeniable fact is, the Lisbon Treaty is a treaty for the rich, and thus this has not been presented to the middle-class accordingly.

[MsCread]

Mc Creevy attended Bilderberg 2008 so of course he would say this.

[charlessmyth]

The political class come from the people and, in many cases, from the middle class. The complication with the Lisbon Treaty is that it is predicated on false premises and riven with take-your-pick conflicts of interest. So the Lisbon Treaty is the inevitable consequence of the politics, economics and ethics which the middle class persist in propagating/supporting, and is not particularly controversial in itself.

[agfigueroaa]

Sir, the treaty is written in a way that it is hard to understand to the middle-class. This wa done in/on purpose, this way people cannot understand it.

There is a long way to make this ratification process more transparent. I think this is the starting point. But, I doubt that the political class is interested in doing this, Sir.

[charlessmyth]

Given that the middle class are reputed to be of a high educational standard, the former EU Constitution and Lisbon Treaty are available online to be read, analysed and decided upon. That said, they only make sense within the context of a certain expectation/demand of democracy and the subsequent administration, for which there is scant concord, depending on personal prejudice. Thus the debate. Which Peter has the right, via government/democracy, to expropriate from which Paul.

[charlessmyth]

1. All of them, but must move away from thinking of the EU as a bigger cake from which to gain degrees of advantage via legislation, as per national interests. 2. Adopt the gold-standard, secure property rights and the right to the capital value of one's property. 3. Democracy is used cynically, so renders itself useless for EU purposes. 4. It accommodates new membership not included in former treaties, and consolidates former treaties. 5. No class should be using democracy to gain advantage.

[agfigueroaa]

Additionally, I always prompt the next questions:

1. Is any country better after the EC turned into EU?

2. How can the EU control the different realities from different country with only one monetary policy?

3. more important, if the UE is such a democratic body, why do not they call for a referendum in every country?

4. In what sense, if any, the Lisbon Treaty makes the EU work better or more efficiently?

5. When in history, centralisation has favoured the middle-class?

[agfigueroaa]

In my humble opinion, one should not vote YES/NO for showing something to someone, but rather the YES/NO should be an answer to the prompted question.

In this particular case, the Lisbon Treaty has no advantage for the middle-class, but rather it transfer power from this to the oligarchy in Europe. As to better Europeans, Indeed, you cannot be a better European when Europeans systematically decrease their standard of living.

[charlessmyth]

One could have the audacity to hope to expect better :-) Still, Ireland has another chance to decline Charlie McCreevy's advice, vote 'YES', and become better Europeans, not simply good Europeans when it suits them. Especially now that the Irish economy is headed towards Iceland.