H G Dr. Geevarghese Mar Osthathios speaking on 'Holistic Soteriology'

His Grace Dr. Geevarghese Mar Osthathios, The Sabha Ratnam of Indian Orthodox Church (MOSC) on His Grace's New Theological Vision - Holistic Soteriology

The video was recorded at St. Paul's Mission Training Centre, Mavelikkara, while His Grace was on his morning walk after the morning prayer, as a casual conversation with Fr. John Samuel

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[OrthodoxPraises]

@ttv21: Dear friend, you mean to say that the evil is created. Creation happens only through God and therefore, according to your theory, the creator of Evil is God which can never happen, because God is Holy and Ever Holy. In Esekiel, a group of Angels were discarded when the evil thought entered in them. Where did this thought come from?? Of course , not from God.

[OrthodoxPraises]

That means it was there before which is called as pre-existent evil.When that evil entered in the Angels, they became the evil..and God is therefore, neither the reason for the evil nor the creator of them.

[OrthodoxPraises]

Moreover, just think in a different way as Thirumeni said..Only a man who is so broadminded (whoever it may be) can imagine of a world , whether it is heaven or whatever, with everyone saved. We usually think in a very fragile way...as if, a few people will go to heaven , a few people to hell etc etc......who are we to judge like that??? Why cant we think as Thirumeni thought of a world with every one saved....rather than you in heaven and your brother in hell!!!

[ebeythomastataaig]

മലങ്കരയുടെ സൂര്യതേജസ്‌ അസതമിച്ചു, പരി.പിതാവേ സമാധാനത്തോടെ പോവുക

[fenn333]

God is Love. End of dispute.

[jubaltom]

I am very sorry...Please pray for this thirumany...

[ttv21]

My comment started with thirumeni making the statement - that Satan is without Beginning. That is absolutely a wrong statement. Roy achen seems to repeat that Satan has no beginning but has an end.

βληθῆναι εἰς τὸ πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον - Matthew 18:8 is the words of Christ - to be cast into the eternal fire. It is not about me not wanting everyone to be saved - God is a Judge and there is a judgment at the Second Coming of Christ.

[ttv21]

‘Evil’, writes St Basil the Great, ‘is not a living and animated substance, but a condition of the soul which is opposed to virtue and which springs up in the slothful because of their falling away from Good. Do not, therefore, contemplate evil from without; and do not imagine some original nature of wickedness, but let each one recognize himself as the first author of the vice that is in him’.

[ttv21]

Nowhere have I said that EVIL is created. What are you reading? Christian theology viewed the nature and origin of evil differently. Evil is not a primeval essence that is coeternal and equal to God; it is a falling away from good, it is a revolt against good. In this sense it would be wrong to call evil a ‘substance’, as it does not exist in its own right. As darkness or shadow are not independent beings but are simply the absence or lack of light, so evil is merely the absence of good.

[MumbaiSamji]

@ttv21: Personally i feel that as human beings we can never experience the fulness or wholeness of God and His Divine Plans. Did God Created Evil? Can He Do That? If So. How can we call him Holy.. Light of Light..coz one who is holy cannot create unholy. The Freewill of Man is the main factor of all evils.Mar Osthathios Says that God is Just, He incarnated himself to save the humanity. irrespective of good and bad.