Re: Socialized Medicine and the Subsidy Problem

A few observations to provide an alternative view

http://nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html

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[chambernater]

if you really care about people getting the best quality care then you cant support socialized health care because it is a terrible system with long lines that can cause something simple to turn into a huge problem that could kill you.The reason its so expensive in america is because are stupid government made hmo's that make it so you have to have insurance even for a check up so now there is a middle man and pharmasuitical compianies will charge the maximim for medicine because people dont pay

[Tony63efc]

If by socialized healthcare you mean Universal Healthcare free at the point of delivery and paid for by taxation then this is what all the industrialised nations of the world have found to be the best solution. You say that deaths are caused by queuing but surely in America people die because they cannot afford treatment.

[owchywawa]

Socialize medicine has failed in every country. The problem is that the government does not really have any consequences.

[Tony63efc]

Failed in what way? Has any developed country other than the USA decided on a healthcare system where some citizens have healthcare while others do not?

[kgwickings]

there was always charity before welfare. I have known people (LITERALLY) when I was in high school and thereafter that actually said that if they had a kid they would be taken care of. Now, if someone gets pregnant and can't provide.. why is that my responsibility? This welfare system allows and encourages babys born without parents committed to thier needs. Instead of falling back on mom and dad.. there is the government (taxpayer).

[Tony63efc]

There seems to be some confusion between healthcare and welfare here. The birth of the child is covered by healthcare and would be at no cost to the mother in most systems. Welfare costs would have to be the subject of another video.

[juxtn]

@owchywawa has failed? where do you get this statement from and how do you back it up? If you are talking to other systems having problems ANY and all systems will have problems because that is an unavoidable reality. Look at all the problems our system has - now we have inflationary problems with the cost associated with each treatment we also have inadequate care in highly rural and urban areas, we also have doctors involved in malpractice scenarios and we also have people dying in hospitals.

[chambernater]

no hospital now will turn you down because you cant pay but they would turn you down if your out of place in the line. i would rather be broke and alive instead of dead. also it would make people who need medical help regularly seem like a drag on the society and it could turn to hate for example mexicans and the mentaly challenged thats one of the ways hiltler got power and the argument that everyone else is doing it is because drug companies make trillions of dollars off that system

[povmcdov]

The NHS in the UK has been running since 1948 and has not failed yet.

[Tony63efc]

There are so many aspects to healthcare that I cannot give you a yes/no answer. Clearly if someone is rich they can buy the best care money can buy. On the other hand, there are plenty of countries with UHC where objective observers and patients find the care highly satisfactory.