A. Vivaldi (G. Piantanida): Op. 9 n. 5 - Concerto for violin, strings in A minor (RV 358)

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Antonio Vivaldi
[also attributed to Giovanni Piantanida]
LA CETRA: OP. 9 N. 5 - LIBRO I (AMSTERDAM, LE CÈNE, 1727) FOR CHARLES VI
Concerto for violin, strings and basso continuo in A minor (RV 358)

I. Adagio
II. Presto
III. Largo
IV. Allegro

Monica Huggett (violin)

Raglan Baroque Players / Nicholas Kraemer (conductor)

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[vivjfriday]

Huggett/Kramer--This is the one I like! Thank you!

[perruchopty]

Dear Rachel, with due respect, I think that the name of Piantanida should be erased from above as it is creating great confusion in the web re the paternity of this concerto: one of Vivaldi's finest! I just spoke with one of Vivaldi's leading scholars who said: "The attribution to Piantanida in recent times is the product of wishful thinking, on the slender basis that one manuscript in Sweden (Sweden is a notorious repository of misattributed manuscripts!) names him. Of course it is by Vivaldi!"

[perruchopty]

Vivaldi would never have published a "fake" concerto or a concerto by another composer, when he was the absolute master of the concerto form. In fact, the fact that his publisher in Amsterdam included several concertos by other composers, in his Op. 7, was, according to Michael Talbot, the reason why he took so long to publish another opus (Op. 8). RV is a typical Vivaldi concerto. A 22 year old would never be able to compose such a masterpiece unless he is a Vivaldi! ;-)

[Piantanida31]

@perruchopty I like the Piantanida hypothesis better.  :-)

[perruchopty]

I think this needs to be clarified. There is NO DOUBT that this concerto is by Vivaldi. Not only is it typical of Vivaldi (even though it starts with a slow movement--something he does for the sake of variety), but also one of Vivaldi's finest concertos. This work was ERRONEOUSLY attributed to Piantanida. But its obvious that only a genius like Vivaldi could have composed this gem!! Cheers!!

[seviane]

@radaphhesig mmmh, Is tipical yes, because the first movement is only an introduction, like the summer. It's written wrong from RachelPortman. Correct is: I. Adagio, Presto e forte - II. Largo - III. etc... Regards from Venice

[xr1983kr]

Are you sure that you can imagine vivaldis fantasy limits?

[VinceV]

Well Vivaldi was really renewing at his time, but always sticked on his own style. Vivaldi must have been succesfull so why not lift on his succes, also that Piantanida was decades younger than Vivaldi.

The 7.37-7.45 part have been used earlier, would Vivaldi copy his own phrases?

Hear Concerto in D Minor RV127 mov 1

[BarbaraPloyer333]

Hehe- that's probably why it was also attributed to Piantanida! (It says so in the description.)

You can definitely hear why it was though to be a work by another composer instead of Vivaldi. Listen closely to 1:54- 2:02. That's most idiosyncratic of Vivaldi's style. It's lucid why there was a debate on this composition. Parts seem to be like Vivaldi, whilst others do not. It could be another composer trying to imitate Vivaldi or Vivaldi utilizing new ideas. Which one do you think it is?

[radaphhesig]

It's beautiful but does not sound like Vivaldi at all (well.. a bit - in the solo parts) - the 4parts structure is neither typical to Vivaldi.