Creationists End Civilization

Introducing Islam's 12th century Kent Hovind - Hamid Al-Ghazali . A warning from history by Neil deGrasse about what happens when a creationist is allowed to overule scientists.

800AD to 1100AD Islamic scientists were the best in the world yet look at Arabic countries now!

The full 39 minute version can be found here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-102519600994873365&q=Neil+deGras...

This is NOT an ExtantDodo video but another bonus video

Why the upload?
1. There is a hacked down version of this video hosted by theinquisitor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIMifWU5ucU this misses out the important part at the end about what is happening in the USA today

There is a full version here, but the comments have been disabled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQoLbPudHTE I wanted people to see the full version and to be able to comment on it. Why? There have been two major over turnings of Science (and by definition civilization) in human history. The Greeks destroyed by the Roman and Holy Roman empires. The Muslim Scientists destroyed by Islamist clergy in the 12th century. Are we witnessing a third in the USA today?

Fortunately for us there was a slight overlap between these first two. An event which did more for the intellectual and Scientific revival of Europe than any other. The fall of Toledo in Spain to the Christians, in 1105.

In Toledo the Arabs had huge libraries containing the lost (to Christian Europe) works of the Greeks and Romans along with Arab philosophy and mathematics http://www.xmission.com/~dderhak/index/moors.htm The discovery of this library led to the Reformation and the Enlightenment and is estimated by the scientific community to have pushed science in the west forward by 1000 years!

Why did the Golden Age of Islam Start?
The original leaders were smart. They wanted their taxes (math), Health (biology), to stay ahead of their rivals militarily (physics) and of course to navigate (astronomy)...etc

The order was sent out to obtain every written document in their empire and to have it translated into Arabic. This led to centralised libraries containing knowledge from Greek scientists to Indian Mathematicians in one language.

Some of the achievements of Islamic Scientists
1. Measurement of the length of a Year to within 1 minute.
2. First recorded use of a decimal point.
3. An early version of the Theory Of Evolution.

What they did NOT achieve
1. Heliocentric solar system model.

For a more detailed view of Islamic Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpRRnuuSBhw

For a more detailed view of the reasons
for the decline of Islamic Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcSXwPsgLhE

Remember all it takes is one scientific theory to be replaced by superstition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGkhvyZ5KLs

Then its on the long road backwards until you end up here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pk2-vr4sSw interesting how it is the most religious people who most hate their own ideal society.

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[Treblaine]

"Big Bang Theory, you've got to be kidding"

God could just be objecting to that unfunny TV sitcom

[saguhh00]

If creationists want to disprove evolution, why do they behave like feces-flinging monkeys?

[Petrander]

@Anon12356

You are making things up! Nowhere does he state that ‘Arabic’ numerals were invented BY the Arabs, only that they EXPLOITED them. He quite clearly states that Baghdad was the intellectual CENTRE of the world open to ideas from the OUTSIDE. The original source of all this knowledge is not RELEVANT to the point, and you haven’t show how it would be. We’re back at square one. If you do not have anything new to add to this discussion, then it’s basically over.

[wick2107]

@TheTsarBear Sounds like an attribute one may also attribute to a hardcore atheist. Everybody is right. Just letting you know. It is he who steps back from the fight of "for or agianst" and seeks the truth behind everything that has the ability to solve an argument. The Dalai Llama is so powerful because he has found the ability to step back and seek the truth and does not partake in a never ending battle of "for or against"

[MrSmaccoms]

The point is the passing of knowledge; without the Arabs adopting this knowledge, our advances in science would look very different. It doesn't matter who invented or discovered what. It matters what we do with it, and where we go with it; it pushes our species forward. In the Western World, we were spurred by the Arabic world in the areas he mentioned. That is why they are called arabic numerals. That is the importance of what the Arabs did; the acceptance and spread of knowledge.

[fgd49v2]

Im religious and you guys are assholes

[Anon12356]

a very common misconception that they did.

[Anon12356]

@Petrander

Yes it is a misconception. The misconception being that "Arabic numerals" originated in the Arabic world and that the reason they are called "Arabic numerals" is because they originated in the Arabic world.

You can explain it as many ways as you like. That doesn't change the fact that he listed "Arabic numerals" along with other advances that actually did originate in the Arabic world as if it they also originated there. He did not make it clear they didn't and there is already

[Treblaine]

@ptango666 I know, and he was the funniest guy on the show!

[ptango666]

@Treblaine Oh c´mon it´s kinda funny sometimes, even Neil deGrasse Tyson himself guest starred!

[TheTsarBear]

Arguing with a creationists is like playing chess against a pigeon.

Even if you are winning, they will knock all the pieces off the board, shit on the board, then strut triumphantly on it as if they won.

[Petrander]

@Anon12356 Because they had a civilization that was open to new ideas from everywhere and from everyone regardless of faith. It was a civilization that appreciated knowledge. Where that knowledge eventually came from is... irrelevant! How many different ways do I need to explain this?

And it is not a misconception that so-called Arabic numerals came from the Arabs. Europeans did get them directly from the Arabs, hence the name. They just originally came from some place further. So what?