@Chiswick2 Since, both Austria and the Austrian monarchy WERE german, i can totaly see why, even after prussia united all of the german state[except of course Austria and switzerland] Austrian was still german, just not considerd german. It wouldnt be im guessing to ww1 when Austria was considerd another german power
@GreggJulian Losers comfort themselves that history is the written by the victors, and I grant you a lot has been; but this is only a temporary. The truth will break through. For exampe, the revanchist Democratic Republican Alliance in France, working through Maurice Paleologue on Nicholas II, did the most to provoke the Aug 914 crisis, ending the German guilt myth. History, quoting Ranke, is "wie es eigentlich gewesen war" and in the age of mass communication that will always break through.
@GreggJulian 90% Alsace-Lorraine had been incorporated into France BY THE MIDDLE OF THE 1600'S. Schools, governments, administration, the military were all in French. Yet you would have us believe that despite 200 years of history, Alsace-Lorraine had remained German. The existence of local patois, thousands of which existed all over Europe (but have sadly faded) does NOT compromise the essential nationality of this area, French.
@mc0558 ...so if the Geordie language was closely related to Danish (which is debatable) it would eventually hae died out due to the gegraphic realities. And when was this, 500 years ago? The Alsatian language was alive and well as recently as the second world war.
I understand that the victors write the history, but any credible historian should try to look at the facts unbiased, something that sadly is missing in today's acadamia.
@mc0558 Ok, I can't let this slide. Please stop littering the internet with false history and french propaganda. Most of the people in Alsace-Lorraine did not speak french in 1870 and the Alsatian language was unrelated to french in any way other than a few loanwords. Even today, the german dialect on the opposite side of the Rhine is closely related to Alsatian. I don't know much about the Geordies, but they were seperated from Denmark by a huge geographical obstical, the North Sea...
The Austrians were considered Germans too, and it was only after the unification of Germany under Prussia and the exclusion of Austria from German affairs were they considered different. Under the Holy Roman Empire the Austrians Habsburgs held the imperial throne and they held varying degrees of power in their history, and they were the nominal sovereigns of all the German states as well as several territories in Italy and the Low Countries. The Prussians were just expansionist upstarts.
Prussia was always an expansionist state and it was always covetous of the territory which belong to other countries. Germany became a nation late, as I have said, and it attempted to have the same global influence as established powers such as the UK and France who had a virtual monopoly on colonies. Italy was very similar to Germany in this regard, they became a nation late and felt the need to acquire the scraps left by the British and French in order to satisfy their vanity.
@Chiswick2 It possibly could have come from Frederick II, or maybe from Blucher, or possibly from the Schlesvig war, or possibly the Austro-Prussian war. The reason Germany was known for military prowess was because Germany was practically and extended Prussia, a state that was once called an 'army with a nation'
@Chiswick2 Since, both Austria and the Austrian monarchy WERE german, i can totaly see why, even after prussia united all of the german state[except of course Austria and switzerland] Austrian was still german, just not considerd german. It wouldnt be im guessing to ww1 when Austria was considerd another german power
SuperTravis898 8 months ago
LOL, how funny!
I wonder if Louis-Napoleon would have actually drawn his saber on Bismarck once they were face to face discussing surrender terms?
SavageJim01 1 year ago
@GreggJulian Losers comfort themselves that history is the written by the victors, and I grant you a lot has been; but this is only a temporary. The truth will break through. For exampe, the revanchist Democratic Republican Alliance in France, working through Maurice Paleologue on Nicholas II, did the most to provoke the Aug 914 crisis, ending the German guilt myth. History, quoting Ranke, is "wie es eigentlich gewesen war" and in the age of mass communication that will always break through.
mc0558 1 year ago
@GreggJulian 90% Alsace-Lorraine had been incorporated into France BY THE MIDDLE OF THE 1600'S. Schools, governments, administration, the military were all in French. Yet you would have us believe that despite 200 years of history, Alsace-Lorraine had remained German. The existence of local patois, thousands of which existed all over Europe (but have sadly faded) does NOT compromise the essential nationality of this area, French.
mc0558 1 year ago
@mc0558 ...so if the Geordie language was closely related to Danish (which is debatable) it would eventually hae died out due to the gegraphic realities. And when was this, 500 years ago? The Alsatian language was alive and well as recently as the second world war.
I understand that the victors write the history, but any credible historian should try to look at the facts unbiased, something that sadly is missing in today's acadamia.
GreggJulian 1 year ago
@mc0558 Ok, I can't let this slide. Please stop littering the internet with false history and french propaganda. Most of the people in Alsace-Lorraine did not speak french in 1870 and the Alsatian language was unrelated to french in any way other than a few loanwords. Even today, the german dialect on the opposite side of the Rhine is closely related to Alsatian. I don't know much about the Geordies, but they were seperated from Denmark by a huge geographical obstical, the North Sea...
GreggJulian 1 year ago
The Austrians were considered Germans too, and it was only after the unification of Germany under Prussia and the exclusion of Austria from German affairs were they considered different. Under the Holy Roman Empire the Austrians Habsburgs held the imperial throne and they held varying degrees of power in their history, and they were the nominal sovereigns of all the German states as well as several territories in Italy and the Low Countries. The Prussians were just expansionist upstarts.
Chiswick2 1 year ago
Prussia was always an expansionist state and it was always covetous of the territory which belong to other countries. Germany became a nation late, as I have said, and it attempted to have the same global influence as established powers such as the UK and France who had a virtual monopoly on colonies. Italy was very similar to Germany in this regard, they became a nation late and felt the need to acquire the scraps left by the British and French in order to satisfy their vanity.
Chiswick2 1 year ago
@Chiswick2 It possibly could have come from Frederick II, or maybe from Blucher, or possibly from the Schlesvig war, or possibly the Austro-Prussian war. The reason Germany was known for military prowess was because Germany was practically and extended Prussia, a state that was once called an 'army with a nation'
pvtgunny 1 year ago
@Chiswick2 Indeed, the German Empire largely consited of a small sausage factory somewhere in Tanganyika
pvtgunny 1 year ago