Contra Diagoras54 Part 6

My "first" video about religion, which actually turned out to be a six part mini-series. This is basically just refuting the claims made in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUC8WrTNWL8

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngxJxSFlLWU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXrJ144wtIU
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKPfnP45t6c
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4vwL0lMVvU
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpT7Y1kkPWM
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYYB7O4Zzc0

Atheist Regimes
"Every religious idea, every little god, even flirting with a little god, is unutterable vileness... vileness of the most dangerous kind, a plague of the most abominable kind. A million sins, filthy deeds, acts of violence and physical plagues are much less dangerous than the subtle, spiritual idea of a god dressed up in the smartest intellectual costumes. A priest who seduces young girls... is far less dangerous for 'democracy' than a priest without a cassock, a priest without crude religion, a principled and democratic priest who advocated the construction and creation of a little god." -Vladimir Lenin, Polnoe Sobrani Sochinenii, 5th ed., vol. 47 (Moscow: Fospolitizdat, 1965-1973), 226-227.

"Our aim is not to 'renovate' the church, but to abolish it, to eradicate all religion. That aim can be achieved only when society is organised on communist principals... So far, we have had little time to pay serious attention to religious prejudices. We were confronted with things much more urgent and important.But now the time has changed and all this filthy idolatry will be swept away." - 1923 Editorial of government newspaper Izvestiia. Cited in, A.A. Valentinov, The Assult of Heaven (London: Boswell Printing and Publishing Co., 1925), 7.

"In what sense do we reject ethics, reject morality? In the sense given to it by the bourgeoisie, who based ethics on God's commandments... We say that our morality is entirely subordinated to the interests of the proletariats' class struggle. Our morality stems from the interests of the class struggle of the proletariat." - V. I. Lenin, Selected Works in Three Volumes, vol. 3 (Moscow: Progress Publishers, 1970), 476-477.

* The average atheist crimes against humanity is far greater than the worst crimes committed by Christians, even though atheist leaders have had less than one 20th the number of opportunities to commit them.
* Not even 1 out of 1000 religious leaders have commited such similar atrocities.
* Every time there has been an atheist state, it resulted in the repeated mass genocide of that countries own citizens by that government.

Murderer's Row:
Afghanistan: Nur Muhamad Taraki, Babrak Kamal
Albania: Enver Hoxha
Angola: Agostinho Neto, Jose Eduardo dos Santos
Bulgaria: Vulko Chervenkov, Todor Zhivkov
Cambodia: Pol Pot, Heng Samrin
China: Mao Tse-Tung, Hua Guofeng, Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintau
Cuba: Fidel Castro
Czechoslovakia: Klement Gottwald, Antonin Zapotocky, Antonin Novotny, Gustav Husak
East Germany: Walter Ulbricht, Erich Honecker
Ethiopia: Tafari Benti, Mengistu Haile Mariam
French Republic: Jean-Marie Collot d'Herbois, Jacques Nicolas Billaud-Varenne
Greece: Nikolaos Zachariadis
Hungary: Matyas Rakosi
Laos: Kaysone Phomvihane, Khamtai Siphandone
Mongolia: Khorloogiin Choibalsan, Yumjaagiin Tsedenbal
Mozambique: Samora Machel
North Korea: Kim il-Sung, Kim Jong-il
Poland: Wladyslaw Gomulka, Boleslaw Bierut
Romania: Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej, Nicolae Ceausescu
Soviet Union: Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Nikita Khrushchev, Leonid Brezhnev
Spain: Manuel Azana, Francisco Largo Caballero
Vietnam: Ho Chi Minh, Le Duan, Truoung Chinh, Nguyen Van Linh, Do Muoi, Le Kha Phieu, Nong Duc Manh
Yugoslavia: Josip Broz Tito

European Belief:
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_225_report_en.pdf

Music: Grace by Lamb of God, and Red Alert 3 Ending Credits by Frank Klepacki

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[diagoras54]

Did you completely ignore where I said that the correlation is dictatorship and absolute power, and not religiosity? Oh, yes, you did. State-sanctioned massacres and executions occur in dictatorships, almost exclusively, regardless of which religion is prevalent or the extent to which it is believed.

[Randomicity912]

@diagoras54 Despite the fact the worst atrocities this world has ever seen have been committed by atheist states. There are other dictatorships that do not come anywhere close. You conveniently ignored the fact the Soviets outdid the Tsars within one month, just in one execution camp. Mao and Stalin were responsible for the deaths of 80,000,000 between them. Tell, me else can you find such democide?

[diagoras54]

Mao caused the Japanese to invade China? Stalin caused the Germans to invade Russia? Mao wanted to kill millions of his own citizens by imposing economic policies that he thought would improve his country? Those quotes from Lenin don't advocate wanton slaughter, nor do you take into account who was actually killed: did the Gulags contain only the religious? Were there actually not any political prisoners? Have religious dictators not killed anyone?

[Randomicity912]

@diagoras54 Once again you are completely ignoring the evidence. The deaths tolls of Mao and Stalin only include those killed by the state during peace time. No religious government, dictatorship or otherwise, even come close. You also seem to miss the salient point that Christians who commit atrocities are doing so in stark violation of the tenets of Christianity, whereas atheists have no tenets to violate and are free to believe whatever life-destroying myths they want.

[Randomicity912]

@diagoras54 You also ignore the fact that atheism provides no basis for the sanctity of human life, or morals for that matter: "We must do away with this papist-Quaker babble of the sanctity of human life" - Leon Trotsky. This is simply special pleading. If atheist states get a clear bill, why not the religious?

[thunderbolt94]

Excellent series! You presented your stuff very well and very convincing. This diagoras54 sounds like someone who (like most atheists) have an ax to grind rather a valid point to make.

[Randomicity912]

@thunderbolt94 Why, thank you kind sir. This took longer than I thought it would, mostly because some nutter on TheologyWeb kept demanding I waste my time answering them, and then I took a day off to fix my 360. Got it down in the end.

[GlowingBeard]

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