How The Scientific Worldview Reduces Should Claims

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[konjunktion26]

science of today wouldn´t exist without philosophy of the past. knowledge comes from experience. the brain has limits. the mind has no limits. thanks for your attention @ mankind.

[CammieSpectrum]

@konjunktion26 I have alot of things to say about that, in fact. unfortunatelly I am super busy right now; I haven't made a video in a while because of this. my thought has progressed and seems to progress exponentially at times. this is just the beggining. please stay tuned :)

[CammieSpectrum]

We need a rationale for why we judge people for doing or beleiving stupid things(we think)...yet we do not judge the weather. both are determined, yet one is causally determined and the latter is teleologically determined(by reasons). 'You' don't control, for example, whether you believe UFO's are Alien Craft or whether you think your parents will be home at a certain time, because you have reasons for believing these things, that would need to be explained away for your mind to change

[CammieSpectrum]

We judge people's beleifs, as a mistake, even if we beleive they have no control over their beleifs, which they do not; but beleifs are not causally determined, but teleologically determined by the reasons that we give and can take into account. If not, then why do we give reasons for our beleifs and actions, if these are not the literal explanations of our actions, and not physical laws? therefore judgment has nothing to do with Determinism, but that it is Teleologically Determined

[maryamelsherif]

I like the couldnt & shouldnt arguement at the end. How many times have i heard someone say "shes just a bitch" or hes just an asshole" implying that they will NEVER change but at the same time saying he/she "shouldnt" have done whatever implying some choice or moral ambivalence or pricked conscience on the part of that accused person. I think maybe part of the problem is our limited understanding of how humans are or are not "special" compared to other organic or inorganic matter.

[maplebayou1]

@CammieSpectrum The other big question you seem to be driving at is whether the human mind can truly originate an idea.. I believe our ability to abstract enables us to go beyond recognizing a pattern to understanding the concept of a pattern. It allows us to make models of structures and processes, and importantly, ourselves, and be very proactive. We carry with us a virtual world which, to a great extent, frees us from the constraints suffered by other systems.

[maplebayou1]

@CammieSpectrum Causality can be examined at many different levels and the principles that apply to one don't necessarily apply to others. Because thoughts and emotions ultimately supervene on the dynamics of subatomic particles does not mean they follow the same rigid laws as subatomic particles. But you are raising some important issues. Is there an abstract realm distinct from the physical realm? What is material and what isn't? I don't see any evidence that materialists really know.

[CammieSpectrum]

@maplebayou1 What does your expression 'make moral judgments' mean? what does 'make' mean? is it a causal event in the brain? is it an event in a broader rigid causal chain, the environment? where is a moral judgment being made & what is it made of?' If it is all describable in terms of a rigid causal chain of existence, then moral judgment are part of this chain,as is all behavior and anythign that exists, and if so, what's the difference between the behavior of weather and organism?

[CammieSpectrum]

@maplebayou1 What does your expression 'make moral judgments' mean? what is make mean? is it a causal event in the brain? is it a point in a broader rigid causal chain, including the environment? where is a moral judgment being made and what is it made of?' if it is all describale in terms of a rigid call chain of existence, then the moral judgment is part of this chain,as is all behavior and anythign that exists, and if so what's the difference between the behavior of weather and organism?, 

[maplebayou1]

@CammieSpectrum "We" do not "judge" the weather for the same reason that we do not judge a dog or an infant to be guilty of murder even if it kills someone. It is because we do not believe these entities have the ability to abstract and therefore make moral judgments themselves. Making judgments as opposed to simply pursuing goals or responding to stimuli requires the realization that there is a realm of the abstract and a sense of one's abstract relations to the rest of the universe.