Eastern Orthodoxy Not Refuted 1

Addressing some points raised by drakeshelton in his videos "Eastern Orthodoxy Refuted," which he posted as responses to a couple of my older videos.

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[ic2705]

I would say you make the historical error of Roman Catholics in assuming the Orthodox to be the only preserver of ancient Christianity. In this same thought process you assume a uniformed NT from the beginning and a textual version which is the only true version. This is simply not true to history. Various ancient canons exists through the 4th century differing slightly and the Hebrew Scriptures were held in high esteem along with the Greek. Your approach is a modern approach to the canon.

[davidpwithun]

@ic2705 1. But you must prove that that is a "historical error" in order for it to be so; instead you simply assert it. 2. You seem to confuse the Old Testament and New Testament canons here. You say that I assume a uniform NT canon from the beginning (I don't) and then explain that statement with reference to "Hebrew Scriptures." That doesn't make sense.

[ic2705]

@davidpwithun

As for your second point I was addressing related assumptions which stem from your first assumption of the East being the only preserver of the ancient faith. Not only do you assume the uniformity of the usage of the Septuagint throughout the ancient world but also the uniformity of the canon which was not uniformed until after the fourth century. I said all this to say you have a Romantic vision of the Eastern church, like Rome did until they were challenged at the Reformation.

[davidpwithun]

@ic2705 No, I don't assume such a uniformity. Have you watched my videos on the history of Scripture? I'm familiar. Please don't tell me what my vision is; I prefer facts not psychologizing.

[OrthodoxRobert]

Yes, and the Church "knows" those forgeries. What is your point? It would be one thing if the Church presented them as authentic when in fact they were not. But the Church isn't doing that. So, again, what was your point if it wasn't an attempt to poison a well. Show letters from patristics that the Church hold to be authentic, when in fact, you know they are not.

[Colts4ever123]

Drakeshelton has a problem with the Catholic Church. He does not understand ORTHODOXY if he did he would not disagree with David.

[Kekaumenos1078]

@Kekaumenos1078

By the way many orthodox theologians and priests dont believe in the Toll Houses, and call it gnostic novelty. Like Dr. Michael Azkoul. So toll houses theory is not binding upon "orthodox", who can believe in Purgatory if they wish.

[Kekaumenos1078]

@adamantis4657

The problem is that "Orthodoxy" does not have any unified dogma on the issue of original sin, and all theologians disagree with each other. Some say St Augustine is a heretic, other say he is a saint, so nothing stops orthodox laymens from believing in the IC of the Theotokos.

[adamantis4657]

@trueorthodoxfaith: Well, we believe that SHE is ALL-IMMACULATE, ALL-BLAMELESS, ALL-HOLY, ALL-PURE, ALL-BLESSED etc.

We do not believe in the dogma of IC because we do not follow the Latin understanding of ORIGINAL Sin and STAIN but it is not because of the Holiness of the Theotokos

Because the Holy Fathers say that SHE is a NEW CREATION, She is without STAIN or any blame - She is All-spotless.

[adamantis4657]

@nickelsT: Well, we Orthodox do not believe in the Catholic Dogma of IC because we do not follow the Catholic Dogma of ORIGINAL SIN and STAIN,

But the Most Holy Theotokos is ALL-IMMACULATE. The difference is not the HOLINESS of the THEOTOKOS but ORIGINAL SIN.

The toll houses are not similar to Purgatory but they are THE PERSONAL JUDGEMENT AFTER DEATH - through testing of sins.

[nickelsT]

Many Orthodox DO believe in the Immaculate Conception. The difference is, it is not dogmatized in the EO Church. I never said that Toll Houses were a literal substitute for Purgatory, but there are poetic and spiritual similiarities that have been noted by religious writers. Thanks.

[trueorthodoxfaith]

@MyBetty111 The theology on the Toll Houses is quite different in Orthodoxy as compared to the Latin church teachings. The Orthodox do not believe in the Immaculate Conception.

[MyBetty111]

What are you hiding behind that hair?

[MyBetty111]

@trueorthodoxfaith Not a big difference. Seraphim Rose and the early Desert Fathers speak of Toll Houses, much like Purgatory. Orthodox believe in the Immaculate Conception but do NOT dogmatize it. Minor differences.

[MyBetty111]

You talk too fast. Take a breath.

[MyBetty111]

What's with the hair?