Hugo Chavez: Capitalism to Blame for Climate Crisis
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"how should i call it? nationalist dictatorship"
Eastern European countries like CS didn't have nationalist dictatorships, but internationalist ones.
"so if it's not about the money, why do you blame socialism for it?"
Because if you collectivize the environment (land etc.), nobody cares for it, and the socialist mismanagement prevents enviro technologies from getting developed.
What has Chavez done for the environment, with all his oil money? He wasted oil to USA.
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"the parties who want to protect the environment are all sitting on the left side"
But that doesn't mean that they are anti-capitalists or communists. The SPD and many greens want "soziale Marktwirtschaft", i.e. capitalism with a social touch. The PDS can't govern anyway, for lack of votes.
The poor have to suffer the most from pollution, since they can't afford to live at the "clean" sites, to buy organic food etc. So environmentalists inherently care for poor people.
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@ccd101 i don't know where u live, but in germany the parties who want to pass laws in order to protect the environment are all sitting on the left side, while it's not a secret anymore that the conservative and right wing parties are controlled by lobbies.. if profit is more important than people, it is also more important than the environment for them
my problem with environmentalists is that they seem to care more about the environment than about poor people..
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@ccd101 i admit that it was a failed attempt of socialism, because lenin and trotzky really wanted to establish communist rules and values, but stalin didn't stick to the socialist system AT ALL.. how should i call it? nationalist dictatorship
so if it's not about the money, why do you blame socialism for it? as if justice and equality or the communist system or the capitalist system have anything to do with the treatment of the environment
who cares most about the environment? left parties.
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If I am "neglecting what really matters", you should say what really matters. So far, you didn't.
If it wasn't communism, how do you call it?
BTW I'm not a conservative, I'm an environmentalist. That's why I'm not a commie.
It was NOT necessary to "afford [i.e. import] modern environmentally-friendly production" or even to "compete to capitalist countries". They could have developed environmental tech themselves! If it wasn't for communism (or how ever you call it).
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@ccd101 pointing out something completely unimportant while neglecting what really matters.. is this the only way conservatives can argue? "it wasn't really communism"? since when a nation can be communist?
if the countries in east europe polluted the environment, because they couldn't afford modern environmentally friendly production, because their social worker-friendly economy can't compete to capitalist countries, you could blame socialism to be inefficient.. BUT that was NOT the case
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Oh yeah, the old excuse that it wasn't really communism... But that doesn't fly. No matter how you call it -- if you collectivize resources, nobody will care for them. And there isn't enough money and technology around to make technologies enviro-friendly (e.g. filters in coal powerplants and cars).
As for Chavez, he has long donated a lot of fuel to "poor" Americans (who wasted it), even while his own people suffered poverty. How enviro-"friendly" and "social" is that?
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@ccd101 where's the link between the speech of hugo chavez and the envirionment of eastern european countries? i think it's arrogant to believe that you can define the former european east as communist, without knowing anything about the communist ideology
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You sound like an arrogant commie without content. If you think you know better, be specific about what you think are the facts.
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@ccd101 you don't know what you are talking about, so please don't spread your unqualified naive subjective opinion
@dorksayswhat. actually, he sells it to Cuba for next to nothing! Ha! And what are you on about? He ain't stelling oil to America, what are you saying? Venezuela used to be the third biggest oil deliverer of the States and now they are boycotted by Chavez. That's why they created a propaganda machine in the media to make him the bad jerk. America can't handle it when they dont get their way. I like him for it. He sends his middle finger to them and I do too.
jeannedarc2007 10 months ago 10
Hasta la vittora sempre!!
Gino1453 1 year ago