The White Ribbon trailer english

The White Ribbon trailer english

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[Funasenbaer]

I think you kinda need to work with the movie. it doesnt present something to you on a silverplate. you need to solve problems, you need to figure out the message. also this is a movie about the beginning of fascism. it's pictures are subtle and in that brutal. this is reality, no popcorn-entertaining-hollywood­-tale.

[Funasenbaer]

well, you're allowed to have your opinion :) but I think in times of all pretty movies and 3Dism, this kind of movie is, in its language and style, a brave thing to do. its also a very complex movie with a HUGE love to the details. they casted people for 3 years or something like that. the acting, the costumes, the interiors are simply perfect. its absolutely realistic. its also the craft that fascinates me. yep.

[TxtACRowetxT]

If you can never change how you choose to view something you'll never learn more than one side of it.

[anondragon2012]

Someone who uses "evil" in a sentence does not deserve to talk about history.

Goodbye if this is your wish. I am not here to transform people into my way of thinking. I could care less.

[waivedwench]

You have misunderstood me. I do not mean that I do not understand your words. I am saying that I do not want to continue a conversation with you. I agree with you that we must try to look at things in perspective and try to understand the context of the time, but I will never, never look at Nazism from anything but a "2013 moral view". I think anyone who is human will do the same thing. Sorry, but you sound like an apologist for some of the greatest evil the world has ever produced.

[anondragon2012]

As is logical when one has to type short comments on youtube :)

Would love to develop my ideas in full but no time.

Basically my essential point is that history has to be viewed from the mind of the person living the events and the context of events compared to other events of the time, NOT from a 2013 moral view.

But this gets quite philosophical.

I'd advise you look up Ernst Nolte and his central book on the subject: fascism in its epoch

It illustrates exactly my views

[waivedwench]

OK. You've lost me. 

[anondragon2012]

Blind obedience in the case of war is actually a positive.

One should not attempt to overthrow ones government in the middle of war its a bit problematic.

And I would say there was not much difference between German education and British or Western general family education pre-WW1 or even after so not sure it makes sense.

By the way, some form of Fascism happened in every country in Europe but only gained power in decadent liberal weimar Germany (all but a obedient conservative country btw)

[anondragon2012]

But your comment about "kind-hearted...intelligent people" can certainly lead to an interesting discussion about how and why people will often blind themselves to inconvenient truths if it suits them.

= Because for most people Nazism was just a normal political party with normal policies for the period.

Its only because of new morals post-WW2 that Nazism was transformed into pure evil.

When you start looking at history from the mentality of a German i 1930 it all makes sense

[waivedwench]

No need to lecture me, mate. I am actually a history teacher and when I teach WWII, I pride myself on trying to teach my students that the reasons why people turned to Nazism (or Communism or what have you) are complex and that the oft-repeated myth "Germans are just evil" is simplistic and wrong. But your comment about "kind-hearted...intelligent people" can certainly lead to an interesting discussion about how and why people will often blind themselves to inconvenient truths if it suits them.

[waivedwench]

I recall that the beginning has the now-older school teacher explain that he's putting his memories down because "they might explain what is happening in the country now." It is certainly true that Versailles and the actions played a role in the rise of Nazism, but I recall Leni Reifenstahl telling a reporter that people of her age were taught blind obedience to father figures at an early age. I still think that trying to explain some of the actions of the 1930s is the most logical explanation.

[anondragon2012]

This is just pseudo psychology to simply why Nazism happened.

Millions of Germans were Nazis, kind hearted people aswell as intelligent people, farmers and urban people, rich and poor.

Why people adhered to Nazism after WW1 is a very complex misunderstood subject, especially due to the demonization of Nazism post-war which turned Nazis into some kind of gargoyles that only past evil could produce.

This is not history and its never been this simple than Spielberg tries to make believe