(K)ein mittelalterlicher Schwert-Konter

Hier zeige ich einen Konter, der manchmal als Beispieltechnik für den mittelalterlichen Schwertkampf gezeigt wird, gefolgt von ein paar Techniken, wie man mit diesem Konter umgeht.

Here, I show a technique that is sometimes shown as a typical medieval sword counter, followed by a few techniques that reverse the counter.

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[michaelmittag]

Ich weiss dass es besser funktionierende Versionen gibt ;-) Ich denke, das Problem ist, sobald die Technik als Parade-Gegenangriff verstanden wird, dann funktioniert sie nicht, weil der Folgeangriff schneller ist. Ausserdem ist es extrem komfortabel, Folgeangriffe zu machen, wenn der Gegner zum Parieren das Schwert zur Seite nimmt. Wenn die Technik als direkter Konter mit Eintreten verwendet wird, dann habe ich nichts dagegen einzuwenden ;-)

[CollegiumInArmis]

@MarkHolgate Exactly. I don't want to be too harsh on the video as it does nicely show what can go wrong with less than good form, which is useful. But the hanging parry can be done much more effectively, especially if faster and safer historical ripostes are used (e.g. using the hanging parry to set up winding in, thrusting or disarming and wresting at the sword etc). As you noted, the existence of counters does not invalidate techniques: if it did, we wouldn't have any techniques at all!

[CollegiumInArmis]

Also: any parry or displacement can be 'defeated' by the appopriate feint (feler), pulling (zucken), changing through (durchwechseln) or counter/break (bruch) performed at the right time. It is not entirely fair to single out the hanging parry for this. It's debateable whether the hanging point displacement exists in the earliest Liechtenauer material, but there is no doubt it is featured in the Renaissance sources like Mair and Meyer, so it is historical.

[CollegiumInArmis]

The hanging parry demonstrated here outlines the wrong way to do it. To be effective it needs to have the point further forward and be combined with footwork and body evasion so that distance management provides cover in combination with the hanging blade. Also, the riposte needn't be the long oberhau shown. Meyer uses the hanging parry to wind behind the blade, and with the point more forward in a proper hanging point, an immediate thrust can be used in riposte.

[MarkHolgate]

@MarkHolgate sorry, i misunderstood. you were critiquing the big 'movie version'. fair enough.

[MarkHolgate]

oh, i think you're being bit harsh on the hengen parry. I know there are many counters against it, but it's certainly viable when used dynamically, and when formed properly.

[MrOttmandus]

that is interesting I will have to play with that

[Railriderchris]

Nice to show how a technique used in many knightly or Samurai movies does barely work in reality, especially since it exists way shorter counterattacks/moves. Thanks and keep on the good work :-)

[cerkuenik]

incredibly instructional!